Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[Knights_Mom]

@3PonyFarm

Prior to the trial I thought that there must be strong evidence that MB shot LK due to the seriousness of the charges. I was wondering if it was self defense or imperfect self defense. I did not buy the premeditated murder conspiracy.
I was expecting more forensic evidence that proved he fired the weapon. I then had my doubts if he even fired the gun. I am still leaning towards self defense. I also agree with some of the tv court commentators that MB was overcharged from the beginning and I remember you said that too prior to the trial.

What is Occam’s razor? Occam’s razor is a principle of theory construction or evaluation according to which, other things equal, explanations that posit fewer entities, or fewer kinds of entities, are to be preferred to explanations that posit more. Simply put, the easiest explanation of something is usually the correct one.

In the case of who shot LK we are asked to ascertain whether the version put forth by two persons with long arrest records and histories of lying (self admitted on the stand) as well as less than pristine histories regarding drug addictions and lifestyle is the true version of what actually happened.

In their version we are asked to believe that these two persons are credible and that MB, a person with a comparatively clean past, a successful business and athletic career which reached the pinnacle of success suddenly turned homicidal maniac and decided to sacrifice everything in order to kill and remove someone and their henchman that he was finally getting assistance to remove anyway. And, that that rash decision was made during daylight hours in the presence of an agency employee for all the world to see.

It just doesn’t seem likely now does it?

So what does seem the most likely scenario? Well that’s been discussed in great detail and it’s that line of theory - Occams razor - that most people bring to make the most sense in their minds - and this is a universal belief from these pages to the court room to Law & Crime to YouTube to 48 Hours. To you, yourself.

The civil trial will bring the jury to the same conclusion when they are presented with veiled ninjas, interesting web searches, illegal surveillance and recordings, manifestos, over the top FB postings, gun brags, SS weaponization and that whole chit show we’ve come to know so well.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Sdel

There is a modeling agency portfolio out there somewhere for LK.

Doesn’t mean she was ever hired.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Sdel

There is a modeling agency portfolio out there somewhere for LK.

Also, I would be willing to bet that most “dancers” are aspiring models

[Knights_Mom]

@ohnoO

But LK wouldn’t let RG “bill” MB because it would “ruin the plan”—whatever that was….

LK wouldn’t let RG “bill” MB because she knew RG was an unlicensed contractor and a bill for work would be proof positive of illegalities performed. And as I’ve stated prior and as JK probably knew from being an attorney, that unlicensed work performed would in court incur treble damages and a judgment against RG for triple the $$$ charged in that bill.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Knights_Mom

There is no overwhelming evidence that MB shot LK. There is not even any evidence that he did.

The civil cases are certainly no slam dunk especially given the lack of forensics or reliable witness testimony.

Yes. LK is going to have to prove, first and foremost, that MB shot her. How is she going to do that?? There is no evidence.

She could have shot herself.

Robert Guy Goodwin could have shot her.

She can’t prove otherwise.

Unless, of course, she has audio and/or video tapes. But if she does, she so far refuses to provide that, so, unfortunately, she’s going to lose her case.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Ambitious_Kate

What in sam hill (since you quoted to kill a mockingbird) are you even talking about??

You have my post there, so if you are interested in learning “what the Sam Hill” I’m talking about, just look at the post I’m responding to, @Ambitious_Kate.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Joanne

I think there should be MB fingerprints on the weapon as RC handed him the gun to put in the safe.

I agree, but I think the point is, no one knows, because THE POLICE DIDN’T DO ANY FINGERPRINTS. So no one knows who shot the gun, who brought it to the scene, nor whose fingerprints on it. LK has no proof that MB shot her.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Sdel

Can LK/RG’s fingerprints and DNA be definitively excluded from being on any part of the gun or any of the casings or on the box of rounds from the safe or any of the rounds themselves or even from any part of the safe?

No, because the police took no fingerprints, and took no DNA.

[LilRanger]

That coupled with her admissions that she lies and her bizarre rants on sm will make her path to success more difficult. Not impossible, of course, but harder.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@CurrentlyHorseless

What happened was: MB shot and nearly killed LK.

Well, maybe he did. And maybe he didn’t. @CurrentlyHorseless, LK is going to have to prove that he did in this trial. Did you know that? She’s going to have to provide evidence. No gunshot residue, no fingerprints, no dna. The police didn’t collect any evidence. She can’t prove it. SHe can’t just say it, she has to prove it. Sorry, but your friend is SOL.

[Pocket_Rocket]

That’d be it, thanks BM1.

I’d be happy to see all that evidence for the 401st time. Please, CH.

[yaya]

@LilRanger

She was back to riding and enjoying activities remarkably quickly (I think).

She was back in the show ring 10 months after the shooting.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@LilRanger

That coupled with her admissions that she lies and her bizarre rants on sm will make her path to success more difficult. Not impossible, of course, but harder.

What about her lengthy record of criminal charges in two different states, involving simple assault, assault with a deadly weapon, resisting a public officer, communicating threats, multiple charges of trespass, burglary, and many many many traffic tickets.

Do you think any of that might undermine her credibility as a witness? I’d imagine that some of it is admissible in terms of character evidence?

[Ambitious_Kate]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Oh, @Pocket_Rocket, I’ve posted the “workings” many, many times! If you didn’t understand the argument the first 400 times I posted it, why would stating it again convince you?

No you haven’t. You’ve provided NOTHING, @CurrentlyHorseless. Just because you say something snotty doesn’t mean you actually did it.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I think the fact that she was shot, badly injured, and incurred big medical bills and suffered from trauma are going to be easy to establish.

But who shot her? That can’t be proven. She can’t even prove that she has the right person as a target for her Civil case.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@ohnoO

I don’t necessarily believe that. How could they predict that MB would kick JH (who had lived there for~15 years) out of the top apartment and give it to them? Or that the top apartment wouldn’t also be damaged?

I think they turned on the water before they left because they thought it would freeze and there would be damage to the house that MB would then hire RG to fix, and he would get paid out of the insurance check. That’s why RG wanted to “bill” him for the 50k. There was alot of talk initially from her about how that insurance check was supposed to be theirs and how MB just cashed a fat insurance check.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Ambitious_Kate

@CurrentlyHorseless

I think the fact that she was shot, badly injured, and incurred big medical bills and suffered from trauma are going to be easy to establish.

But who shot her? That can’t be proven. She can’t even prove that she has the right person as a target for her Civil case

Also… IF he shot her, WHY did he shoot her?

New trial, new judge, different rules of evidence.

LK and RG have MULTIPLE arrests for assault spanning years across two different states that I know of.

It is a demonstrable fact that RG beat the hell out of MB that day. There are hospital records that prove it. Just as it is a demonstrable fact that LK was shot.

What order did these things happen in? No one knows. But who again has a repeated, documented, predisposition for violence and assault?

LK and RG

Bottomline… If the jury hears anything about their history with respect to assaults (as in … MULTIPLE), the jury is going to wonder if these two jumped MB before that gun went off.

Any person with an ounce of common sense who has a small amount of background information about everyone involved wonders it.

[Knights_Mom]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@Ambitious_Kate

@CurrentlyHorseless

I think the fact that she was shot, badly injured, and incurred big medical bills and suffered from trauma are going to be easy to establish.

But who shot her? That can’t be proven. She can’t even prove that she has the right person as a target for her Civil case

Also… IF he shot her, WHY did he shoot her?

New trial, new judge, different rules of evidence.

LK and RG have MULTIPLE arrests for assault spanning years across two different states that I know of.

It is a demonstrable fact that RG beat the hell out of MB that day. There are hospital records that prove it. Just as it is a demonstrable fact that LK was shot.

What order did these things happen in? No one knows. But who again has a repeated, documented, predisposition for violence and assault?

LK and RG

Bottomline… If the jury hears anything about their history with respect to assaults (as in … MULTIPLE), the jury is going to wonder if these two jumped MB before that gun went off.

Any person with an ounce of common sense who has a small amount of background information about everyone involved wonders it.

Occam’s razor.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@CurrentlyHorseless

You have my post there, so if you are interested in learning “what the Sam Hill” I’m talking about, just look at the post I’m responding to, @Ambitious_Kate.

I did. Its all word salad, @CurrentlyHorseless

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Knights_Mom

Occam’s razor

Precisely.

So if the jury thinks that there is a strong possibility he acted in self defense (even if he was out of his gourd and suffering a psychotic break at the time)?

Guess what?

LK will not be awarded any damages related to her gunshot. Period.