Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[Knights_Mom]

@Sdel

Best thing to do is hire a firm in FL to handle her end. Have her show up, use their equipment, and sit in the room by herself with a hall monitor.

That is absolutely what I would motion for

[trubandloki]

Someone has to pay for that…

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@MHM

What are the odds she will have very convenient “technical difficulties” during her Zoom sessions?

Very high.

Maybe MBs attorneys can hire a local independent technical contractor for the deposition … someone who can step in every time she claims to be having technical issues, to check everything, immediately address any ‘glitches’ and keep the deposition moving forward.

[Sdel]

Split three ways. And renting a room and an intern shouldn’t be to expensive. Sometimes it’s just best to bite the bullet and get things done.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Sdel

Best thing to do is hire a firm in FL to handle her end. Have her show up, use their equipment, and sit in the room by herself with a hall monitor.

This is a good idea. It sounds like having a court reporter in the room with her is an option, and they might provide a dual function as a hall monitor, so to speak.

[trubandloki]

@Sdel

Split three ways. And renting a room and an intern shouldn’t be to expensive. Sometimes it’s just best to bite the bullet and get things done.

That implies that one of those three teams actually wants to get this done. And we know they do not.

[DownYonder]

@MHM

What are the odds she will have very convenient “technical difficulties” during her Zoom sessions?

@Sdel

Best thing to do is hire a firm in FL to handle her end. Have her show up, use their equipment, and sit in the room by herself with a hall monitor.

I am 100% certain that she will try to get away with whatever she can. Agree with Sdel - hire a firm in FL to provide the location and equipment and someone to monitor the proceedings (such as an unaffiliated attorney). I also like @Ambitious_Kate’s suggestion to have a court reporter present.

[Sdel]

@trubandloki

@Sdel

Split three ways. And renting a room and an intern shouldn’t be to expensive. Sometimes it’s just best to bite the bullet and get things done.

That implies that one of those three teams actually wants to get this done. And we know they do not.

MB, SGF, and RC. Who doesn’t want to get it done?

[cutter99]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@trubandloki

I also look at the animosity towards LO, the same way I look at the things they have said about MHG. Hurting innocent people who get in their way is just fun for them. They want everyone to look at Lauren as a poor innocent female who is being wronged by the evil man, but then it is OK for them to say horrible things about any female on the other side of the aisle.
They have done some really low things during all of this. But their latest attacks on LO are lower than low. It is them showing their true colors.

I think you are touching on something important here. A few additional thoughts though…

As @skydy so simply and eloquently put it last night… these people are out of their depth.

They seem to have settled on the label “gunshot victim” to describe Lauren. She has hash tagged Instagram posts with that, and seems to want to link her shooting to the issue of gun violence in general. It comes across to me as a clumsy attempt at PR, not a sincere concern for the issue of gun violence. After all… Lauren herself has posted about her own weapons, has communicated threats on Facebook with language about ‘weapons hot’, and has an arrest on her record for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, because (according to the counterclaim filed by MB’s attorneys) she actually discharged a firearm in RGs direction and at his motorcycle while she was in a fit of rage.

However, following the shooting on 08/07/19, LK and her family seem to believe that she is entitled to claim the label of “gunshot victim” - and she should be free from all criticisms and scrutiny related to the events that led up to the shooting that day. That’s an interesting tactic, but somewhat clumsy and poorly considered, in my opinion. My first question about all this is… who exactly qualifies as a “gunshot victim?” I pushed on CH about this in an earlier comment. Does an aggressor who was shot during a legitimate self defense situation count as a “gunshot victim?” How about someone who was willfully engaged in violent altercation with another person who was carrying a weapon… and the weapon accidentally discharged, and one person was injured? Is the injured person in that situation a “gunshot victim?”

And then there is the issue of her past conduct that I have noted, her reckless statements, and her previous attitudes towards gun ownership. I question the sincerity and depth of her concern about issues related to gun violence.

I will admit, I am drawing a fine line on this particular term, and challenging her use of it, and the fact is that she did indeed suffer significant injuries from the gunshot. But I think it’s important to draw a fine line sometimes, and not go around wielding a politically and emotionally loaded term like a useful public relations cudgel. It’s irresponsible and tone deaf. She seems to be using the term right now for personal gain in the realm of public sentiment, in order to demand sympathy, while simultaneously avoiding all scrutiny & accountability for her own actions. That’s not ok, and that’s not actually helpful when speaking about the broader societal issue of gun violence. There are real gunshot victims out there… people who were shot in violent and frightening situations that were CLEARLY not their fault. LK’s situation is much more complex. If we accept the verdict from the criminal trial, and the testimony provided by expert witnesses that lead to that verdict… her actions with respect to the mental torture of MB caused his psychological breakdown, and the psychological breakdown was a key causal factor of the shooting. Given that, is LK still a victim in the true sense of the word? I’m not so sure.

What is crystal clear is that LK sees an opportunity when it comes to adopting the LABEL of ‘victim.’ Simultaneously, she and her family and supporters continue to victimize others. There is a clear pattern of online harassment when it comes to those who are close to MB. First it was MHG, and now it’s LO.

So again… I question the sincerity and depth of their commitment to all sorts of victims’ issues and concerns. But… as has been noted… it’s pretty clear the Kanareks are out of their depth now, and stumbling and grasping at straws as this civil suit moves forward.

QFPing because this needs to be seen repeatedly throughout every Barisone thread. Every. Single. Damn. Thread.

Mic drop @Virginia_Horse_Mom! Loud applause!!!

[Mondo]

I had a thought yesterday that I do not believe has been discussed previously. (Sorry if I am wrong about that.) But, as the discussion was surrounding the plausibility of self-defense and/or accidental discharge of the gun during a scuffle, it occured to me that it is extremely likely that LK has absolutely zero memory of what happened, despite her protests to the contrary. I think that due to her physical trauma and subsequent loss of consciousness, (not to mention her non-existent helicopter ride and “flatlining twice” claims) would indicate that she could not possibly have a clear recollection of events. Which would mean, of course, that the only real witness to what happened was RG. He could make up any story he chose and she would run with it, as long as it made MB look bad. It would also explain why they have never managed to get their stories straight. Because LK only knows what RG told her and she does have memory of what happened before MB got there. Sometimes she was on the porch reading. Other times, she was doing something else. Just Mondo musings…

[KurPlexed]

@DownYonder

Agree with you there! She loves playing up her role as a “gunshot victim” - it has given her a whole new sense of self-worth.

I’ll never understand how she can use that term when your whole game is based on pushing (daring?) people to retaliate. Hiding behind money and power (lawyer daddy) all while tormenting people is a dangerous game and imo has nothing to do with any fragility of MB.

Russian roulette = gunshot victim?

[trubandloki]

@Sdel

@trubandloki

@Sdel

Split three ways. And renting a room and an intern shouldn’t be to expensive. Sometimes it’s just best to bite the bullet and get things done.

That implies that one of those three teams actually wants to get this done. And we know they do not.

MB, SGF, and RC. Who doesn’t want to get it done?

Sorry, I was thinking of the other side. Who in my mind should be paying for any of this anyway.
I do not feel like Michael should have to pay for any of this. The remote deposition was awarded to Lauren Kanarek’s side, they should have to pay for everything associated with making it happen.

[Sdel]

@trubandloki

The remote deposition was awarded to Lauren Kanarek’s side, they should have to pay for everything associated with making it happen.

This is true. However, the reality is, if the defense wants a clean deposition they will have to pay for the safeguards. Otherwise it’ll be LK on one side of the kitchen table and IM on the other holding up notes for her to read.

[cutter99]

@Mondo, it could be a combination of memories and what she thinks she remembers. I have been surprised what you can remember through a traumatic event.

I came off a horse 2 years ago, cracked my helmet through in three places, suffered a concussion and brain bleed, and other injuries, and remember everything I was conscious for. I remember the entire day of the fall very clearly, as well as being life flighted (yes, I actually was put in the helicopter ),and the time in the trauma unit.

[MHM]

@RHdobes563

When I read this, I imagined something like Fred Astaire, when he danced on the floor, walls, and ceiling of a room. This was done by slowly rotating the set.

Just chiming in to say that his autobiography is a very fun read. He was such an amazing talent, with a work ethic to match.

He was also very involved in racehorses as an owner, and he ended up marrying a jockey later on in life, many years after his first wife passed away.

[StB.YM]

I’m wondering if perhaps the zoom depositions will be done in a similar style to those in the JD/AH trial - big rooms with a computer or widescreen, with the person being deposed and their lawyers in the room. It was pretty easy to see in some of those recordings who was and was not present in the room, and if the camera angle includes the door, that also catches anyone coming or going.

[MHM]

@DownYonder

Right. But why would MB’s defense team only turn over SOME documents to Silver but not all? Can we assume that those additional 38,000 pages of SM material had not ever been turned over to Bilinkas?

This is a small point in the big picture, but it pains me to think of all the trees that gave their lives on order to print out all this material. Especially in duplicate so everyone and their brother could get a separate copy.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

Sorry, I was thinking of the other side. Who in my mind should be paying for any of this anyway.
I do not feel like Michael should have to pay for any of this. The remote deposition was awarded to Lauren Kanarek’s side, they should have to pay for everything associated with making it happen.

I’ve been digging around in NJ case law, and here’s one where the witness being deposed had to bear the costs of setting it up on their end. Granted, this was agreed to by the parties, but I’m trying to see if NJ ever specifically ruled on this subject.

cmo7.pdf

[Einhorn]

I think if the court hasn’t rolled on that issue, it might be too late until damages are addressed

[MHM]

@CindyB59

Amazon

Coincidentally, a friend and I were just talking about Amazon yesterday. Even if you don’t like the company, even if you don’t want to help fund his next spaceship, sometimes you can find things on there that you can’t find anywhere else.