Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[DownYonder]

@StB.YM

I’m wondering if perhaps the zoom depositions will be done in a similar style to those in the JD/AH trial - big rooms with a computer or widescreen, with the person being deposed and their lawyers in the room. It was pretty easy to see in some of those recordings who was and was not present in the room, and if the camera angle includes the door, that also catches anyone coming or going.

@ekat

I’ve been digging around in NJ case law, and here’s one where the witness being deposed had to bear the costs of setting it up on their end. Granted, this was agreed to by the parties, but I’m trying to see if NJ ever specifically ruled on this subject.

Is it likely that GAS will have to fly down to FL to be with her? Will he possibly take a paralegal with him? I assume he would just add those expenses to LK’s tab.

And I agree with @Sdel - it is in the best interests of the defendants for their attorneys to ensure that the FL deposition is as procedurally correct and clean as possible, so they can’t leave it up to the plaintiff and her attorney to set things up the way they want them. To do otherwise is to give them too much opportunity to game the system.

And I predict more delays as the various parties dicker about the technicalities of where, who, when, how the deposition takes place.

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@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@trubandloki

I also look at the animosity towards LO, the same way I look at the things they have said about MHG. Hurting innocent people who get in their way is just fun for them. They want everyone to look at Lauren as a poor innocent female who is being wronged by the evil man, but then it is OK for them to say horrible things about any female on the other side of the aisle.
They have done some really low things during all of this. But their latest attacks on LO are lower than low. It is them showing their true colors.

I think you are touching on something important here. A few additional thoughts though…

As @skydy so simply and eloquently put it last night… these people are out of their depth.

They seem to have settled on the label “gunshot victim” to describe Lauren. She has hash tagged Instagram posts with that, and seems to want to link her shooting to the issue of gun violence in general. It comes across to me as a clumsy attempt at PR, not a sincere concern for the issue of gun violence. After all… Lauren herself has posted about her own weapons, has communicated threats on Facebook with language about ‘weapons hot’, and has an arrest on her record for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, because (according to the counterclaim filed by MB’s attorneys) she actually discharged a firearm in RGs direction and at his motorcycle while she was in a fit of rage.

However, following the shooting on 08/07/19, LK and her family seem to believe that she is entitled to claim the label of “gunshot victim” - and she should be free from all criticisms and scrutiny related to the events that led up to the shooting that day. That’s an interesting tactic, but somewhat clumsy and poorly considered, in my opinion. My first question about all this is… who exactly qualifies as a “gunshot victim?” I pushed on CH about this in an earlier comment. Does an aggressor who was shot during a legitimate self defense situation count as a “gunshot victim?” How about someone who was willfully engaged in violent altercation with another person who was carrying a weapon… and the weapon accidentally discharged, and one person was injured? Is the injured person in that situation a “gunshot victim?”

And then there is the issue of her past conduct that I have noted, her reckless statements, and her previous attitudes towards gun ownership. I question the sincerity and depth of her concern about issues related to gun violence.

I will admit, I am drawing a fine line on this particular term, and challenging her use of it, and the fact is that she did indeed suffer significant injuries from the gunshot. But I think it’s important to draw a fine line sometimes, and not go around wielding a politically and emotionally loaded term like a useful public relations cudgel. It’s irresponsible and tone deaf. She seems to be using the term right now for personal gain in the realm of public sentiment, in order to demand sympathy, while simultaneously avoiding all scrutiny & accountability for her own actions. That’s not ok, and that’s not actually helpful when speaking about the broader societal issue of gun violence. There are real gunshot victims out there… people who were shot in violent and frightening situations that were CLEARLY not their fault. LK’s situation is much more complex. If we accept the verdict from the criminal trial, and the testimony provided by expert witnesses that lead to that verdict… her actions with respect to the mental torture of MB caused his psychological breakdown, and the psychological breakdown was a key causal factor of the shooting. Given that, is LK still a victim in the true sense of the word? I’m not so sure.

What is crystal clear is that LK sees an opportunity when it comes to adopting the LABEL of ‘victim.’ Simultaneously, she and her family and supporters continue to victimize others. There is a clear pattern of online harassment when it comes to those who are close to MB. First it was MHG, and now it’s LO.

So again… I question the sincerity and depth of their commitment to all sorts of victims’ issues and concerns. But… as has been noted… it’s pretty clear the Kanareks are out of their depth now, and stumbling and grasping at straws as this civil suit moves forward.

Perfect post, thank you.

IMO, she is no victim. She is a perpetrator.

[ekat]

@DownYonder

Is it likely that GAS will have to fly down to FL to be with her? Will he possibly take a paralegal with him? I assume he would just add those expenses to LK’s tab.

I haven’t seen enough from GAS yet to hazard a guess. He CAN be present in the room. Whether or not he chooses to be, I have no idea.

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[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

I haven’t seen enough from GAS yet to hazard a guess. He CAN be present in the room. Whether or not he chooses to be, I have no idea.

Well, if I were LK, I would pay whatever it took to have my attorney in the room with me during the deposition. It seems like that level of close support, in person, would be quite helpful to her.

If she had agreed to travel, & just do the deposition in NJ… I assume it would not even be a question as to whether or not her own attorney would be in the room actively supporting her.

[I_dratherbe]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Well, if I were LK, I would pay whatever it took to have my attorney in the room with me during the deposition. It seems like that level of close support would be quite helpful for her.

I would be very surprised if her lawyer is not in the room with her. Sometimes you need to be able to kick your client under the table.

[deeh]

Ditto

[Sdel]

@I_dratherbe

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Well, if I were LK, I would pay whatever it took to have my attorney in the room with me during the deposition. It seems like that level of close support would be quite helpful for her.

I would be very surprised if her lawyer is not in the room with her. Sometimes you need to be able to kick your client under the table.

That will be dangerous for the lawyer. He is at risk for kicking her so much she’ll look like an abuse victim…

[ekat]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Well, if I were LK, I would pay whatever it took to have my attorney in the room with me during the deposition. It seems like that level of close support, in person, would be quite helpful to her.

If she had agreed to travel, & just do the deposition in NJ… I assume it would not even be a question as to whether or not her own attorney would be in the room actively supporting her.

Ah, but I think LK would prefer to not have anyone there that might make her play by the rules, such as, no other people in the room, no use of electronic devices, etc…

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Frankly, he’s at risk for a repetitive motion injury to his own foot.

[Knights_Mom]

@MHM

@CindyB59

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[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

Ah, but I think LK would prefer to not have anyone there that might make her play by the rules, such as, no other people in the room, no use of electronic devices, etc…

Fair point.

And again… I will note that she is her own worst enemy.

[ohnoO]

What happens to these depositions at the trial? Does the jury get to see a video or just get to read the transcripts while they deliberate?

[ohnoO]

Also, don’t all the K’s have to appear at the trial in NJ?

[Knights_Mom]

In my court most civil trials nowadays are done remotely. No idea if it being a jury trial affects that. I’m thinking it does.

[ekat]

@ohnoO

What happens to these depositions at the trial? Does the jury get to see a video or just get to read the transcripts while they deliberate

Neither, unless the witness is unavailable for trial.

However, if the witness/plaintiff gets up on the stand and tells an entirely different story under oath than they told under oath at the deposition, the deposition is going to be used, and either read or shown to impeach the witness.

One of Amber Heard’s depositions was one of the tipping points on her credibility in that trial, for what that’s worth. She told quite a different tale during the deposition than she did in court.

[ekat]

@ohnoO

Also, don’t all the K’s have to appear at the trial in NJ?

Only if Mom and Dad are subpoena’d as witnesses.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

That depends entirely on whether or not there even is a trial. I think SierraMist speculated yesterday (or maybe it was the day before) that there will be more settlement discussions as soon as discovery is complete. Apparently SM is a practicing attorney.