Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[Maria]

Blah blah blah blah, I have 34 years experience working in Administrative Law, woooooopppppieeeeee. I am not an attorney. I work closely with attorneys, Administrative Law Judges, paralegals, law clerks, I interact with Superior Court, Business Court and other court personnel. I have also interacted with State Legislators and their personal. I have been in included in conversations in interpreting General Statues, my input is taken seriously. I also know when I have absolutely nothing to add because I know I am no expert.

The point of the above, is I have a pretty dog gone good BS meter. I have had plenty of experience dealing with and determining the difference between a good attorney from a not so good attorney. Honestly to me, it is pretty black and white.

We are extremely lucky here in our little world of COTH to have several, in my view, extremely good attorneys taking time out of their extremely busy schedules to help us understand the complex variations of the law.

We have also had some not so good attorneys show up here.

The law is complex and really should not be interpreted by the average person. For every statue or rule sited, there are corresponding laws and rules that need to be read as well.
You can say that grass is green, but then you need to find out why it is green and what colors mix to get green, historical content of green and possibility what shade of green. Reading one law is not the complete reading of that one law.

Ok self promotion done. And another apology for misreading.

[hut-ho78]

It could be more convenient and cost effective to stay at a nearby hotel near the hospital for breathing treatments for her twice shot lung and breast drain maintenance, and other possible drain maintenance, observation for infection, rebandaging, etc.

There was an incision starting under the breast, medial, extending under the arm 12 to and up posteriorly to plug two holes in her damaged and collapsed lung. She had trouble breathing because her abdomen had swelled so there was an incision along the length of her abdomen to allow room for her bowel to move so she could breathe. The trauma service tried to open the chest but failed to do so so the thoracic surgeon opened the chest and “spread it wide” to clamp the aorta. Chest open and spread wide, abdomen opened for the length of the abdomen, a 12 inch incision from below the breast under the arm and then up posteriorly, a breast implant removed. There was removal of the destroyed breast implant. Bullets can take with them clothes, tissue, breast implant material, bone, etc. so all that contamination went into her lung and chest cavity so infection was a threat. Opening the chest that way would have split ribs and sternum out of the way of the surgery.

A lot of people stay near hospitals upon release for follow on care for less traumatic injuries.

NJ v. Michael Barisone Trial Day 4 - Direct Exam (No Cross) of Dr. Mark Widman -...

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Maria

Blah blah blah blah, I have 34 years experience working in Administrative Law, woooooopppppieeeeee. I am not an attorney. I work closely with attorneys, Administrative Law Judges, paralegals, law clerks, I interact with Superior Court, Business Court and other court personnel. I have also interacted with State Legislators and their personal. I have been in included in conversations in interpreting General Statues, my input is taken seriously. I also know when I have absolutely nothing to add because I know I am no expert.

The point of the above, is I have a pretty dog gone good BS meter. I have had plenty of experience dealing with and determining the difference between a good attorney from a not so good attorney. Honestly to me, it is pretty black and white.

We are extremely lucky here in our little world of COTH to have several, in my view, extremely good attorneys taking time out of their extremely busy schedules to help us understand the complex variations of the law.

We have also had some not so good attorneys show up here.

The law is complex and really should not be interpreted by the average person. For every statue or rule sited, there are corresponding laws and rules that need to be read as well.
You can say that grass is green, but then you need to find out why it is green and what colors mix to get green, historical content of green and possibility what shade of green. Reading one law is not the complete reading of that one law.

Ok self promotion done. And another apology for misreading.

I’m not in the legal field at all, and I know that “barred” and “disbarred” are not the same thing.

I fail to see any basis to think SierraMist is not a good lawyer, other than that her opinions disagree with yours. But that doesn’t make her a bad lawyer, just one who disagrees with you.

[Sdel]

Another question….if LK and RG were shacked up in some hotel, where were the horses and who was taking care of them?

[hut-ho78]

@MorganSercu

You’re right, I agree that SM probably isn’t a top-ranked or top-rated attorney.

Oh no @MorganSercu. I agreed just being barred doesn’t make an attorney a good one or expert in all fields of the law. @SierraMist has more than demonstrated his or her competence, I especially loved the the instructions in egress from the basement but I’m a big fan of him of her. We don’t really know though where he or she is barred though. That is a bit subtle doxxing by unfriend FB friends who think the lawyer friend of LK’s is the same as @SierraMist.

[Knights_Mom]

@3PonyFarm

It is interesting to look at the different laws between different states. NJ is a one party state and FL is a two party state and their SOL for intrusion is 4 years. It would be interesting to know if any of the audios were of a conversation with someone in another state like FL.

Where does Shelly Belly Nelly live?

[Sdel]

@Knights_Mom

@3PonyFarm

It is interesting to look at the different laws between different states. NJ is a one party state and FL is a two party state and their SOL for intrusion is 4 years. It would be interesting to know if any of the audios were of a conversation with someone in another state like FL.

Where does Shelly Belly Nelly live?

NC.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

For the record…it says a lot that the idea of recovering from such a trauma in your parent’s home is considered to be “freeloading” off of them. Dysfunctional to the extreme.

You’re right. It was a poor choice of words. Perhaps LK did not want to put her parents to the inconvenience of being a houseguest, however loved, and preferred to stay in a hotel, knowing the hotel bill would be part of the damages that MB eouod liable for. That’s what I meant to say.

When visiting some relatives, I sometimes stay in a hotel so as not to inconvenience them.

[McGurk]

It was posted somewhere on these threads that LK was not permitted in the Kanarek family home in Livingston. I don’t know whether that’s anecdotal or who the source was, but it absolutely has been stated on these threads previously.

There was some conjecture that it was related to a theft at the house; but as LK was neither charged or convicted in that theft, that maybe be coincidental.

However, when you have someone with known addiction issues, a history of arrest, a theft of jewelry at the family home, and subsequent banning from the family home, it’s not hard to draw some inferences.

Remember the old axiom, similar to Occam’s Razor, about medical diagnoses? If you hear hoofbeats outside your window, the most likely candidate for owner of the hooves is a horse, not a zebra.

[Sdel]

@hut-ho78

We don’t really know though where he or she is barred though.

Ahem….SM has kindly announced her barred locations on the forum, when she posted a very long screed about how MB was going to jail for 80 years.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

It could be more convenient and cost effective to stay at a nearby hotel near the hospital for breathing treatments for her twice shot lung and breast drain maintenance, and other possible drain maintenance, observation for infection, rebandaging, etc.

There was an incision starting under the breast, medial, extending under the arm 12 to and up posteriorly to plug two holes in her damaged and collapsed lung. She had trouble breathing because her abdomen had swelled so there was an incision along the length of her abdomen to allow room for her bowel to move so she could breathe. The trauma service tried to open the chest but failed to do so so the thoracic surgeon opened the chest and “spread it wide” to clamp the aorta. Chest open and spread wide, abdomen opened for the length of the abdomen, a 12 inch incision from below the breast under the arm and then up posteriorly, a breast implant removed. There was removal of the destroyed breast implant. Bullets can take with them clothes, tissue, breast implant material, bone, etc. so all that contamination went into her lung and chest cavity so infection was a threat. Opening the chest that way would have split ribs and sternum out of the way of the surgery.

A lot of people stay near hospitals upon release for follow on care for less traumatic injuries.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rDmMG_xFm2U&feature=shares

You do realize I’m a person who had lung cancer surgery, half a lung removed and who is completely aware of what that entails. Lung was deflated and removed from my body and put on a table where it was sliced and diced then shoved back in and inflated again. You are asleep when the put in the drainage hose but you are not when they take it out so they yank it out suddenly because you can’t bare the pain any other way.

Yet oddly enough I was able to recover in the family home.

#Wanted

[Knights_Mom]

@Sdel

@Knights_Mom

@3PonyFarm

It is interesting to look at the different laws between different states. NJ is a one party state and FL is a two party state and their SOL for intrusion is 4 years. It would be interesting to know if any of the audios were of a conversation with someone in another state like FL.

Where does Shelly Belly Nelly live?

NC.

So recordings were exchanged between NJ and NC and who knows where else.

Interesting. Very interesting in a possibly federal kind of way. NC is a one party state but Shelly Belly Nelly wasn’t part of those conversations. Nor was LK.

[Knights_Mom]

Keep talking fangirls. Keep talking, please.

[MHM]

@Sdel

Another question….if LK and RG were shacked up in some hotel, where were the horses and who was taking care of them?

Didn’t LK’s horses end up staying at MB’s farm for some time after the events of August 7? Under the care of MB’s staff?

Even though LK had been proclaiming far and wide before that date that she was so concerned about the welfare and safety of her horses while they were on that property?

[MHM]

@CanteringCarrot

@Sdel

@CanteringCarrot

There are many reasons as to why one might choose to recover at a hotel,

What is really intriguing is the location of RG’s stitches and the lack of cast that featured in that hotel while he was nursing LK back to health with that “broken hand”….and lack of remembering about how it was broken during the trial when directly asked about it. I mean, how exactly does one forget they broke a hand and had two surgeries to fix it?..…

I don’t know. There are so many sketchy details.

That description of sketchy applies to so many things in the general chain of events.

It’s even more striking when they are brought up after the fact and considered again with more perspective.

[Knights_Mom]

@MHM

@Sdel

Another question….if LK and RG were shacked up in some hotel, where were the horses and who was taking care of them?

Didn’t LK’s horses end up staying at MB’s farm for some time after the events of August 7? Under the care of MB’s staff?

Even though LK had been for claiming far and wide before that date that she was so concerned about the welfare and safety of her horses while they were on that property?

Yes. And yes. And imagine that.

The whole thing was for nothing. Plus all she had to do was leave.

[Sdel]

@MHM

@Sdel

Another question….if LK and RG were shacked up in some hotel, where were the horses and who was taking care of them?

Didn’t LK’s horses end up staying at MB’s farm for some time after the events of August 7? Under the care of MB’s staff?

Even though LK had been for claiming far and wide before that date that she was so concerned about the welfare and safety of her horses while they were on that property?

I seem to recall her bragging that only she was allowed to stay at the property….so, who knows.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@McGurk

It was posted somewhere on these threads that LK was not permitted in the Kanarek family home in Livingston. I don’t know whether that’s anecdotal or who the source was, but it absolutely has been stated on these threads previously.

There was some conjecture that it was related to a theft at the house; but as LK was neither charged or convicted in that theft, that maybe be coincidental.

However, when you have someone with known addiction issues, a history of arrest, a theft of jewelry at the family home, and subsequent banning from the family home, it’s not hard to draw some inferences.

Remember the old axiom, similar to Occam’s Razor, about medical diagnoses? If you hear hoofbeats outside your window, the most likely candidate for owner of the hooves is a horse, not a zebra.

Yes. Yes, I absolutely know know that it has been stated as fact that LK is not permitted to stay in her parents house in NJ. It has become a COTH fact (definition: a statement believed just because it has been stated enough times on COTH, even though no evidence has been provided).

Every time I’ve seen that statement, I’ve thought ‘How would @Soandso know that?

This time I asked.

I’ll ask again: for who ever claims to have started this rumor, how would you be in a position to know that?

Occam’s razor. The purpose of the mob is to smear and bash LK. This explains why posters here would claim her parents don’t allow her to stay at their home.

Shall we drop the tired claim unless the source comes forward?

[hut-ho78]

@CanteringCarrot

@Knights_Mom

A common pet peeve of vacuumers is when an attorney versed in one area of law suddenly tries to practice in another but doesn’t know how to so we have to tell them what to do step by step while they’re the ones being paid big bucks.

It is times like this that you hear the vacuumer use the term “counselor” LMAO It’s the vacuumer equivalent of saying "ma’am

It’s sort of a pet peeve of mine when someone asks me about something not even remotely in my area of law and expect me to know. I mean, I know F all about many things. I’m not even going to pretend I know anything about family court in New York, for example. Or really, much to do with law in the USA in general. I might know and be able to grasp more than the average Joe, but it does irk me when people expect lawyers or other legal professionals to know about every form of law. I mean, nice compliment that you think I’m all knowing, but nope😂 I’m not about to act like I do either!

Edited to add: you should be able to trust your attorney, but they don’t know everything, especially outside of their area of practice. So just because someone is an attorney barred in x state, doesn’t mean that they’re all knowing, or well versed in whatever you’re after. Sure their input may carry more weight than your average person, but as with most things, it depends. Plus, blind trust isn’t always a good thing

Good point!

[ekat]

@McGurk

It was posted somewhere on these threads that LK was not permitted in the Kanarek family home in Livingston. I don’t know whether that’s anecdotal or who the source was, but it absolutely has been stated on these threads previously

I think it started with this blurb from MB’s suit against the police.