The question of the shooter and circumstances of the shooting just might be in play. As evidenced in the OJ trial, a civil jury often doesn’t agree with the criminal trial jury.
It’s fine to speculate but to state with certainty exactly what aspect of what the jury believed without it being sourced from the jury itself is irrelevant.
Certainly to say “this makes sense” or “it seems likely that” is better than proclamations of absolute fact when it’s not.
As you are one to insist that @CurrentlyHorseless is an accurate and well written poster, I just have to ask - Were you there?
Dr. Simring, that you believe, said the delusional disorder was caused by Lauren Kanarek tormenting Michael.
So now you are believing him that Lauren Kanarek is the cause of Michael’s mental break down?
It would seem so!
And all of that may be so and it is still a so what. No one else shot her regardless of the emotional distress they may claim to have suffered because of her Facebook and other social media posts.
All he had to do was evict her. Why didn’t he listen to his friends who love him and who he loves? He was insane at the time. Precedence in New Jersey still allows for civil liability for harm done while insane.
It’s up to the jury to work out the math and I agree with posters who have said how they come across at trial may be very important that is, if either or both of them can testify considering one has a delusional disorder and the other may have PTSD.
It will be interesting to see how the jury handles it.
Remember how upset IM was when he realized Simring had been hired by Michael’s team?!! He knew then they were in trouble I suspect.
He said that to the media later while celebrating his “win” but he stressed in court that while everyone at the barn was affected by LK’s social media and behavior, only MB became obsessed to the point of having a delusional disorder.
Then, if one goes to Dr Google and looks at the literature, not much is known about causes and the treatment is difficult although CBT including group therapy and the intensive therapy as described by Dr Simring may be effective.
Edited for clarity.
He DID ask her to leave numerous times. As a former Landlord/Tenant clerk for 7 years I can say with absolute certainty that MOST tenants vacate and move. We both know LK had no intention of doing so and this is evidenced by her very own posts.
Despite offers of housing for her horses and her own father helping to locate a place she still refused to go.
You are also basing your opinion of her not being asked to leave solely on her postings here. However, she openly admitted in court, under oath and in sworn testimony that she lies on social media. Additionally, multiple people testified that yes she was told to go.
So why on earth would you cling to her false assertion? Is it a matter of playing cutesie on the legal definition of the word “eviction”? Are you asserting that until such time that a court ordered her to go that she wasn’t leaving? That her being asked or told doesn’t count?
If you are, it just makes her look worse - if that’s even possible.
But no worries: The new jury of likely HOMEOWNERS will understand it just fine. They will see what game she was playing. They will see her grift. Just like the people here, on 48 Hours, the criminal jury, YouTube and Law & Order did.
I think the shift change pattern is incredibly interesting. Seems to mostly happen when CH gets in hot water with the rest of the posters.
Usually because they’ve made some pronouncement as to something being a fact that they have no actual knowledge of in order to proclaim things as fact.
Hmm. Almost sounds more like LK’s schedule. You know, not having a job so being available whenever. Maybe she borrowed his password?
LOL. The “other” is a drug addict, a lifelong grifter, a serial/pathological liar, and a toxic narcissist who seems to believe that she is the heroine of some fantasy drama. She thinks that her reality is the only reality and says whatever she believes at the moment will get her what she wants. And has meltdowns when others don’t play along with her need to be worshipped. Can you say “emotionally stunted”?
Whole quote above so no one (cough cough) can accuse anyone of editing lines. Comments apply to parts so partial quotes with answers below.
You forgot to include on your list things like Ninja stalking, Calling SS, Calling inspectors, Playing loud music in the barn late at night, threats of many kinds, illegal recordings, and having his private conversations blasted all over the internet.
Good try though…good try.
Do we need to once again show you the list of things that Lauren Kanarek did after getting the eviction notice? Have you forgotten what learning she was being made to leave did to Lauren Kanarek and how it made her up her game? Let me remind you - Finish the Bastard!
There is more to this than just math. Not sure why some of keep forgetting that. We had all those nice drawings to explain it too. Such talented people we have here on COTH.
It is about the plaintiff proving the elements of her claims. All of the elements.
If “the other” is the plaintiff, and she chooses to not testify, she will sink her lawsuit. Only Lauren Kanarek can testify to her claims and losses. The outcome of this civil trial is going to depend on who the jury believes.
Or his phone/computer while he was asleep. So, when in FL, do they freeload off LK or do they hit up a swanky hotel?
But would she have the self control to read all these comments without responding to any of them?
That’s an interesting point. Can they stay in her house but not vice versa?
Dunno…but wasn’t there a lot of grousing about living arrangements recently. Projection? Suspicious in light of a recent vacay.
Oh Hut, I think we have fallen back into the other times where you insisted the testimony was one thing and it was clearly something else and no matter how many times it was shown to you that you were wrong, you insisted you were right.
Remember the testimony about Lauren’s injuries where I followed your direction and went and listened to the testimony from the trial? All that happened is it proved that you had not listened and your postings were inaccurate and exaggerated.
Remember the testimony from Tarshis that you insisted he said something very different than what he said?
You keep doing the same thing, this situation is no different.
So @hut-ho78 what are your thoughts on Jonathan Kanarek (@Inigo-montoya) and Kirby Kanarek (@Seeker1) not cooperating with discovery in their daughter’s civil case?
Do you think there is a reason other than what they are being asked for will make them look bad that they are once again ignoring their subpoenas and a court order?
In a hilarious episode of life imitating art my personal injury attorney just notified me that the defendant has requested my actual presence for mediation in my case for a nursing home causing my dad’s death.
After I stopped laughing I emailed back saying fine, I’ll travel the long distance in April instead of February. So now we work out a date. I can’t wait to get them in front of me so I can devour them.
Hey, so, NJ has comparative negligence statutes.
Just saying. In fact, one of the things the jury will be asked to determine is specifically, by percentage, how much at fault all parties are for the injury sustained. In order to obtain recovery, the injured party must be less than 50% at fault. Now, normally, that wouldn’t be a very high standard to meet.
Normally.
Thanks for stating it so well. It will be interesting to see what the jury comes up with.
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