Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[ekat]

@Joanne

If LK’s suit is dismissed and MB continues with his counter claim, would it still go before a jury?

Yes

@Joanne

Then MB would be the plantiff and LK the defendant?

Also yes, essentially.

[Knights_Mom]

@Joanne

@ekat

LK’s suit can be dismissed without dismissing MB’s counterclaim, which leaves her still facing discovery, or a summary judgment against her if she doesn’t want to cooperate.

If LK’s suit is dismissed and MB continues with his counter claim, would it still go before a jury? Then MB would be the plantiff and LK the defendant?

Yes as they both requested jury trial. In my state to request a jury trial you submit papers and pay a fee. So since they both paid, whomever is left standing after any dismissals gets a jury trial.

[Joanne]

So then LK would be asking for discovery from MB first?

[BatCoach]

@hut-ho78

Why yes. LK called herself a liar on SM. I’ve read the same posts as everyone else. Creative, nonsensical, too much, sometimes flat mean, quietly heartbreaking.

so do you believe ANY of her testimony?

[ekat]

@Joanne

So then LK would be asking for discovery from MB first?

Assuming that he has been complying with discovery so far and there’s still things she would be seeking beyond whatever has been disclosed already (ie: a deposition), yes.

[Knights_Mom]

Hey @ekat and other legal pros: given the social media presence of this case, should it go to trial, do you think any of the parties would ask for jury sequestration?

That’ll add some interesting dynamics!

[ekat]

@Knights_Mom

Hey @ekat given the social media presence of this case, should it go to trial, do you think any of the parties would ask for jury sequestration?

That’ll add some fun dynamics!

That would certainly be interesting! I can see requesting it, especially since it’s only 6 jurors and maybe a couple alternates, so not like the burden of expense of a 12 man + alternates jury.

Hhhmmm…good thought!

[Knights_Mom]

@ekat

@Knights_Mom

Hey @ekat given the social media presence of this case, should it go to trial, do you think any of the parties would ask for jury sequestration?

That’ll add some fun dynamics!

That would certainly be interesting! I can see requesting it, especially since it’s only 6 jurors and maybe a couple alternates, so not like the burden of expense of a 12 man + alternates jury.

Hhhmmm…good thought!

It’s likely to shorten the trial.

The jury will come to loathe whomever makes the trial linger on.

[ekat]

@Knights_Mom

It’s likely to shorten the trial.

True. They’ll keep that moving right along to get the jurors out and done.

[Pocket_Rocket]

I’ve always wished that GJ had had the opportunity to be really heard, in a way that gave her peace. Along with LK’s threats to people here, her (LK’s) nasty and vindictive form was well established in the lead up to her and JK’s concerted effort to ruin a man’s life as well.

@CurrentlyHorseless
@hut-ho78
Please tell me again about all your sympathy for dear little paragon of virtue and innocence, Princess LaLa.

[Knights_Mom]

How fast can jurors read 100,000 posts and texts?

[ekat]

@Knights_Mom

How fast can jurors read 100,000 posts and texts?

Oh good Lord those poor jurors. Maybe they’ll divide them up? Or…maybe they’ll take the Dr Simring approach and look for the top 100 or so?

[eggbutt]

@CindyB59

Can that be what they’re hoping? Giving up hopes of a big payday, and hoping all the dark secrets and dirty laundry don’t see the light of day?

The beauty is a good portion of Michael’s attorney’s work is and has been done all along, so he could be ready to proceed post haste and move forward with reclaiming his life and lost wealth.

I assume Deininger could also be sure the jury was aware Miss Kanarek and her family were uncooperative with the suit they filed, causing great expense and emotional distress to Barisone.

This plot thickens doesn’t it?

Would SGF be able to sue for their expenses or would that be an automatic judgment against the Kanareks if the judge dismisses their case due to uncooperation?

[cutter99]

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

@BigMama1

@hut-ho78

Right because people who can’t make it to a riding lesson turn into consummate ninja spies who can plant and retrieve devices without being detected. /s

So you believe Lauren is a liar, and was lying the many times she claimed to have planted recording devices throughout the barn?

Why yes. LK called herself a liar on SM. I’ve read the same posts as everyone else. Creative, nonsensical, too much, sometimes flat mean, quietly heartbreaking.

I happen to feel sorry for LK and her family AND MB. To some, that means I must be a friend or family. I am not. I think the whole situation is a tragedy which I’ve said from the start.

I think LK and a group here go way too far on SM. It gets cruel. I understand it a little better now as it can be very tempting to pop off with a comment sure to be regretted later.

I’ve said all along she deserved to be evicted but not shot.

The ganging up on her and bringing in her family and friends is too much. The malicious glee of many of the posts is over the top. People commit suicide over SM.

What happened to you? You had good insightful comments at the start. How did you get sucked into such a rigid and closed echo chamber?.

Some people make wonderful comments on other threads but here or on NP, the DHH, CP and other threads that may even have been created to understand a situation just blow past any concept of open discussion, they become more of a feeding frenzy (complete with cake and cookies ).

I have one question for you @hut-ho78 and I am taking the liberty of including others who may want to know the answer due to their experience, have you ever been targeted by Lauren Kanarek in any way?

Until you are you will not comprehend why others don’t feel sorry for her or her enabling family. None of this needed to happen. It is apparent to me now after reading today’s filing how involved Jonathan Kanarek actually was in the plans to destroy Barisone. Jonathan Kanarek definitely was aware of his daughter’s attacks on others and obviously did nothing to stop her. Until today a little voice in the back of my head whispered that maybe he was trying to stop her and failed. Instead, he was in the thick of it planning it all. And you think they were joking? How offensive.

Did Lauren Kanarek deserve to be shot that day? No. No she didn’t, and we all know I am not convinced how she was shot. By the same token, did Michael Barisone and his family deserve to be systematically terrorized for several weeks to the point of a mental break and then beat within an inch of his life? No. No, he didn’t.

At least make an attempt to comprehend there is no limit to what this family will do to others.

If you really believed that, you would be too scared to post.

No, the fact is many post here in spite of the threats they have received from Lauren Kanerek. The fact is many of us got sick of her deluded threats and decided to take the bull(y) by the horns.

While many of us commented innocently enough, Lauren Kanarek decided that threatening members of COTH was the way to deal with us. I got threatened as I dared to suggest she not comment publicly on the criminal case before it went to trial. Not only did she threaten me, she attempted to dox me as well.

@eggbutt was singled out to begin with because she dared to share her experience with LK, and LK doxxed her. She bravely chose to keep posting.

The only thing worse than an unhinged, spoiled brat bully, whose parents make her behavior okay, are the other people supporting the bully! You might want to take a long hard look at your own actions!

[cutter99]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

What evidence from the recent filings is supposed to leave me “shell shocked”?

You weren’t shocked by the contents of the text messages or by Tarshis’ account of being approached by each of the K clan? Perhaps those weren’t as surprising to you as they were to the rest of us.

No, I wasn’t. IM expressed here on COTH months earlier that LK viewed MHG as the one who pressured and manipulated MB to get rid of LK and attempt to get her banned by USEF, and that MBs mental balance broke under the strain of many pressures, but first and foremost the pressure from MHG.

I have great empathy for MB in that his mental break resulted in tragic actions that, I assume, he would not have committed had he been sane. He, LK, and everyone is a victim of this horrible tragedy.

I think the Kanareks were trying to convey to Tarshis that they did not hold MB morally responsible, given the insanity.

The Kanareks never stated they believed he was insane, before the trial when they approached Tarshis, or after he was found NGRI.

The Kanareks wanted Michael Barisone found guilty.

Nice try, but I give you an F on your attempt to spin the situation once again.

[LilRanger]

@3PonyFarm

Legal people, how do you think today’s filings affect the claim and counter claim? Or is it too soon to tell?

It gave me the chills to read these filings. Holy mother of God, this is…
Well, I’m just glad I’m not representing them, that’s all I can say. I feel for GAS.

[Knights_Mom]

@LilRanger

@3PonyFarm

Legal people, how do you think today’s filings affect the claim and counter claim? Or is it too soon to tell?

It gave me the chills to read these filings. Holy mother of God, this is…
Well, I’m just glad I’m not representing them, that’s all I can say. I feel for GAS.

Personal injury attorneys are a tenacious lot. They live for this stuff.They like the challenge. It’s like gladiatorial combat with law as weapons and strategy as their ally.

[LilRanger]

Eesh, they might be tenacious and love a good scrap, but the texts, the affidavit from Tarshis and the report to SafeSport? (Insert colorful explicative) that (insert scatological noun).

[Knights_Mom]

@LilRanger

Eesh, they might be tenacious and love a good scrap, but the texts, the affidavit from Tarshis and the report to SafeSport? (Insert colorful explicative) that (insert scatological noun).

Yes. But anything can happen in a case. They are unpredictable. We live in a world where WE know wet leather gloves shrink into being unwearable but in a notable criminal case once “If the glove don’t fit you must acquit” ruled the day.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@smoofox

understand the neverending need to be an IM fangirl based on how you have said you believed his every word… but just because he blathered something from the soundtrack of the movie LK has in her head does not make it fact. LK had made her herself unwelcome to everyone there. Suggesting that she was so amazing and awesome that MB was going to keep her nonsense and theatrics around until evil MHG and MHG alone “manipulated” everyone else into seeing LK as troublesome is bizarre. So then groveling MB gave up his bestest and most dedicated student - the only rider near his equal on the place and the source of most of his income (as some have said) to appease MHG…

For heavens sake.

I am not an IM “fangirl”.

No, I never said “I believed his every word”.

Re bolded: I’ve never said any of that.