Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[3PonyFarm]

I hope hope hope he can get released!

[Ambitious_Kate]

@hut-ho78

No @Ambitious_Kate you and your friends trash us not because we associate with the Kanareks as you know we do not, you trash us because you know you are wrong to trash a shooting victim and her family on SM for the last 3 years. Your guilty conscience is eating you up so you are lashing out. I say she deserved to be evicted but that is not enough for you. You want everyone to say MB was justified in shooting her and that is just wrong.

Sorry, I can’t help you. You aren’t speaking g for me. It’s all wishfull thinking in your head. Have a fun day!

[Knights_Mom]

@Sdel

@3PonyFarm

Are police allowed to give permission to someone to audio record someone else at a private business?

@lazaret

No. Police cannot advise about matters of law and do not get involved in civil matters.

They are representatives of the state.

However, reading that again, and knowing that the police contacted MCPO about the recordings……it seems like maybe that third lawyer might have been a MCPO prosecutor……maybe Schellhorn himself or the DA. That might explain why she never got charged, the recordings never made it to trial/Taylor protected it, and why Lauren Kanarek would not name the lawyer who told her they were okay….

Can I ask the legal peeps a question I don’t know the answer to? If all this information was withheld could it be considered exculpatory evidence?

[Angela_Freda]

Hmmm, that’s an interesting idea

[eggbutt]

@Sdel

@3PonyFarm

Are police allowed to give permission to someone to audio record someone else at a private business?

@lazaret

No. Police cannot advise about matters of law and do not get involved in civil matters.

They are representatives of the state.

However, reading that again, and knowing that the police contacted MCPO about the recordings……it seems like maybe that third lawyer might have been a MCPO prosecutor……maybe Schellhorn himself or the DA. That might explain why she never got charged, the recordings never made it to trial/Taylor protected it, and why Lauren Kanarek would not name the lawyer who told her they were okay….

Anyone know a good investigative reporter looking for a story?! This conspiracy must be large! Cops, building inspectors, judges, prosecutors, holy cow! The inferences from those transcripts is unbelievable!

[Sdel]

Ok…set three, again…. Defense exhibit 200c-43

Line 1: I didn’t get it?
Line 2: repeat line
Line 3: repeat line 1
Line 4: where is that?
Line 5: repeat line 4
Line 6: repeat line 4
Line 7: lawyer first. I need to firm up appt time in the morning. How’s 1 pm if that works for him? He’s in Roseland. I liked his first informa letter to MBms lawyer.
Line 8: repeat line 7
Line 9: It’s more for USEF than anything else, but I’ll include that we have been given permission to take videos, recordings, or anything else which we feel keep us safe from danger and the location will not be inadmissible due to the fact it is in the stables where people come and go to see their horses - which can be heard…(cut off)
Line 10: repeat
Line 11: repeat
Line 12: it may not go through in text. But I guarantee if I send it to Mary Haskins email & include Mary DeFranco……they’ll realize they don’t realize how much more we have….
Line 13: repeat line 12
Line 14: repeat line 12

[Angela_Freda]

Remind me who Mary DeFranco is again?

[Sdel]

@eggbutt

Anyone know a good investigative reporter looking for a story?! This conspiracy must be large! Cops, building inspectors, judges, prosecutors, holy cow! The inferences from those transcripts is unbelievable!

To be fair, I assume the cops and the MCPO, building inspectors etc…were not told the truth and that their responses to the story they were given also had a lot of liberties taken as well….

[Christa_P]

Not commenting on this case, but when I was on a Federal jury last year there were hundreds of pages of text and SM posts admitted into evidence. During the trial the prosecution highlighted certain pages and texts during testimony so we, as the jury, knew the major points and where to find those messages, but during deliberations we had access to all the texts and SM posts. Some that weren’t used by the prosecution were still very interesting.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m not a liar, @Ambitious_Kate. You and others trust my words all the time.

I’ve never believed a word you’ve said. Nobody thinks you’re even a whole person. Just a cut and paste vehicle for lk and jk. That’s the only way your reasoning/s make any sense, is if they come from a source not governed by morals or reason. If you think for an instant anyone actually “believes” anything you wrote, you really are in lalaland.

[trubandloki]

@Sdel

Ok….moving on….Defense Exhibit 200C-42 (Exhibit J)

Line 1: (Outgoing-9:37.08PM) We need to send Michael, MH, Justin and Mary DeFranco the very first recording. Then tell them it is the tip of the iceberg…. The police are buffering it now. We will be sending each of the other (a number, ends in a 4) threats and bullying and plotting to make the staff “fall in the line” recordings as we see fit. Just a formal notification - so that the other parties on THIS one 51 minute recording (which you cannot hear as clearly as we can or as clearly as the Washington Township Police can) have a chance to lawyer up.
Line 2: (incoming-9:23.08PM) I told Lauren that we should give a date after the show that we will move out. Rather than go through the whole process of eviction. It is not going to go well after this and more, we need to get the horses out of there.
Line 3: (incoming-9:23.08PM) Repeat Line 2
Line 4: (incoming-9:19.48PM) lol I hope so, I even told them about the downstairs apartment. They claimed to move out so now they can’t move back in.
Line 5: (incoming-9:19.48PM) Repeat Line 4
Line 6: (incoming-9:18.22PM) haha….maybe they’ll be homeless
Line 7: (incoming-9:18.22PM) repeat line 6
Line 8. (incoming RGG-9:15.32PM) Fire marshal and building inspector coming tomorrow. Seemed happy to fine him. Stop construction and I’m hoping they KICK everyone out
Line 9: (incoming-9:15.32PM) Repeat line 8
Line 10: (incoming Williams-8:55.38PM) In my opinion, Shannon would be the best for Rose since she is more used to female riders. Marcus would be excellent for the boys
Line 11: (incoming-8:55.38PM) repeat line 10
Line 12: (incoming JK-8:28.00PM) I forwarded our lawyer’s letter to you
Line 13: (incoming-8:28.00PM) Repeat line 12
Line 14: (incoming Williams-8:23.52PM) I have not worked with them before though. But they have a good reputation and really good competition results

At this point a certain hissy fit about suggesting MHG ride a horse comes to mind….

I have added incoming or outgoing to the above transcribed texts so it is easier for people to understand if it is LK or someone else. So the stuff in parenthesis is by me, not Sdel. (Don’t want to get accused of wrongly editing her post.)
Edit to add - I believe the time stamp I included is the sent time stamp. I think the other time stamp is the read time stamp, I did not include that.

[Sdel]

She testified about planning to move her horses and about conversations being recorded in the arena when no one was around…

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Sdel

Ok…set three, again…. Defense exhibit 200c-43

Line 1: I didn’t get it?
Line 2: repeat line
Line 3: repeat line 1
Line 4: where is that?
Line 5: repeat line 4
Line 6: repeat line 4
Line 7: lawyer first. I need to firm up appt time in the morning. How’s 1 pm if that works for him? He’s in Roseland. I liked his first informa letter to MBms lawyer.
Line 8: repeat line 7
Line 9: It’s more for USEF than anything else, but I’ll include that we have been given permission to take videos, recordings, or anything else which we feel keep us safe from danger and the location will not be inadmissible due to the fact it is in the stables where people come and go to see their horses - which can be heard…(cut off)
Line 10: repeat
Line 11: repeat
Line 12: it may not go through in text. But I guarantee if I send it to Mary Haskins email & include Mary DeFranco……they’ll realize they don’t realize how much more we have….
Line 13: repeat line 12
Line 14: repeat line 12

Hmmmm. Regarding the bolded… remember how Lollypop supposedly could break into MBs office and forge things?

Just me speculating… but what if she broke into his office, and forged an agreement saying she was given permission by MB to have video and audio recording devices on the property?

If she had this sort of “agreement” in writing right about now… she wouldn’t be in the middle of the legal headache she currently is with respect to illegal wiretapping…

[Angela_Freda]

Line 8- Fugaro??? Who us that?

[MorganSercu]

Line 10: (incoming Williams-8:55.38PM) In my opinion, Shannon would be the best for Rose since she is more used to female riders. Marcus would be excellent for the boys
Line 11: (incoming-8:55.38PM) repeat line 10
Line 12: (incoming JK-8:28.00PM) I forwarded our lawyer’s letter to you
Line 13: (incoming-8:28.00PM) Repeat line 12
Line 14: (incoming Williams-8:23.52PM) I have not worked with them before though. But they have a good reputation and really good competition results

Sounds like yet another party who was plotting with Lauren and Jonathan Kanarek.

[Sdel]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Just me speculating… but what if she broke into his office, and forged an agreement saying she was given permission by MB to have video and audio recording devices on the property?

If she had this sort of “agreement” in writing right about now… she wouldn’t be in the middle of the legal headache she currently is with respect to illegal wiretapping…

Maybe. But I think that claim was super early. I think this is more about when the police called MCPO about her recordings and they gave an answer that said a about situation b and she translated it to say y to fit situation x (that was already occurring) and ran with it.

[Angela_Freda]

Ah Yes!
Thanks

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Gotcha

[SoCoPony]

My best horsie guess is a Vet.
Mountain Point Equine
Long Valley,NJ
google now…

reread what is written around this name and it makes sense, or at least to a horse of course. .

[CanteringCarrot]

Man, if they would’ve spent as much energy on moving out as they did on all of this other BS…