@endlessclimb, you’re being disingenuous and you know it.
Sam Murray says that in the context of placing the blame on the UIPM and its rules.
Your selective quoting makes it look like she’s talking about pentathletes. She’s not. She’s talking about the UIPM - they’re the ‘they’ in her sentence.
So we add dishonesty to your list of charming qualities.
Oh you don’t get to duck that one quite so easily. There is nothing that says that a rider MUST incur 4 refusals to retire. She absolutely was talking about BOTH parties.
You, the athlete, can retire at any time. You can, at any time, say “this horse isn’t in this with me today, I’m going to retire.”
How many times has that happened? Pray tell.
I’ve been trying to find videos of anything BUT the Olympics and “World Cup.”
I think, in 15 or 20 rounds of jumping, I have seen one rider pat the horse. The rest just abruptly pull the horse up (obviously it’s the horse’s fault the pole came down!), or abruptly pull the horse up and put a fist in the air (woohoo, I made it!)
What horsemanship.
I’ve seen it happen a number of times. I’ve also seen people retire in the warm up because it wasn’t going well.
I did it myself once because the horse I was on was not what I would consider a safe jumper. (Others would disagree but I have to go with my opinion on this.)
I suppose you answered my question, so I’ll take the hit for not asking it properly.
How many times DIDN’T it happen when it should have?
So then, are the horses the “tools” of the athletes or the supposedly “non-influencing governing body that no one gives money to but somehow they have the power”?
To be clear, the second one is rhetorical.
Stop with your bluster. You don’t [edit] know the sport and you won’t listen to anyone who does.
You don’t see the riders who get off the horse and then dig the treats out of their pockets that they brought for the horse. Yes, pentathletes bring horse treats to competitions to give to the horses.
Treats make up for all sins. Got it.
I might be answering the wrong question. If you mean you are not able to tag someone I can help with that. While you are typing just use the @ symbol. When you type the @ symbol you should get a pop-up that lists some users that have posted in the thread. If the person you want to tag is not showing then simply start typing their user name and the list will modify to include the posters whose names fit what you have typed so far. @trubandloki for example. Here is a screen shot of the pop-up where I picked my user name from.
And you don’t seem to be able to understand that it doesn’t [edit] matter how much you think you know about your sport, that what matters is that your sport has a TERRIBLE reputation for treatment of animals and in this day and age that needs to be addressed sharply and swiftly right this minute before your sport ruins horse sports for all of us.
A little more humility would help a [edit] ton more than continually but, but, butting about how the athletes care and it’s all the fault of the governing body and (sure there’s some not great riding) treats, you don’t see the riders give the horses treats!
JFC. The whole sport is completely 100% doomed and probably other horse sports with it if this is the best that its athletes can offer when confronted with a) hard evidence and b) the reaction from fellow horsemen to the treatment of the animals used in the sport at the highest level, c) the reaction from the general public to the treatment of the animals used in the sport.
This is a very difficult position that the sport has been put in. Getting defensive and throwing blame on everyone but those who CAN change the sport for the better is not going to help.
[What] are you on about?
The people who CAN change the sport are trying to change the sport. That is what is happening now. It’s a fight that’s decades in the making but it seems like we can finally oust the leadership and achieve these goals.
As a general point, I’m here to discuss modern pentathlon and the current turmoil in the sport.
From this post onward, I will ignore @endlessclimb and @sascha and hope that others will too so that we can have a substantive discussion about pentathlon.
Thank you.
Please avoid the outright and abbreviated profanity when discussing the topic. We’ve made several edits to several users’ posts.
The leadership did not, does not, and never will prevent the athletes from exhibiting good horsemanship.
They are solely responsible for that, supported by their fellow athletes and coaches. Instead of enforcing good conduct, they just allowed them to abuse the animals, in hopes for a ribbon/medal.
The whole thing, top to bottom, is rotten.
@JER ignore her, this is unfortunately what she does. There’s no reasoning with someone like that. She’s not interested in a discussion she just wants to pick battles. There’s a saying that goes “don’t bother trying to explain yourself to someone determined to misunderstand you.”
Stop harassing me, @Equkelly. I’m not even talking to you, yet you have followed me onto multiple threads, and doxxed me. You’re stalking me.
Edit: While you’re at it, volunteer your young horse for some MP riding, since you’re so keen on their clear and demonstrated horsemanship. I know you did IHSA riding, per another current thread. That would make you more prone to encourage events that require volunteer horses. Note though that this sport is not about horses. It’s about winning. Horses are a means to make the most talented individuals liable to lose the competition not based on anything regarding their own skill, and blame an animal for it.
Again I ask - despite inept leadership, what was stopping the athletes themselves from conducting themselves in a way that was fair and ethical to the animals? Now, they’re going to try and make being kind to the animal part of the rules, since the athletes would not conduct themselves in an ethical way, and/or sever themselves from the organization supposedly “promoting” this blatant abuse? And we’re just supposed to forgive 30+ years of this drivel.
No.
You had your chance, you blew it. Find another sport. Marbles, maybe.
And, I’m sorry that equine welfare is not a battle you’re willing to pick. You’ll go full screech crazy over a venue name, but someone beating the tarnation out of a horse, or 30 years of crashing through fences… aww, it’s ok. It’s not the rider’s fault!!
I don’t like the situation for the horses in pentathlon but cut the BS. There was a whole thread here about a COTH’er who lent her horse to a pentathlon event and she was all smiles about the experience and the kind athlete.
What you see online is definitely a tiny slice put together by network editors to highlight the most dramatic moments from the Olympics. And yes there is a lot of worrisome riding but that doesn’t mean the athletes are predominantly monsters. JER is inside the sport, wants change, and you’re on some mission to derail and demonize.
I personally think that if the current outrage isn’t enough to get the UIPM leadership thrown out, there WILL need to be a wide scale boycott of events up to and including the Olympics. BUT very few people here actually want the riding phase removed. Only you actually.
Change never started with the leadership here, since JER is so insistent they don’t make money off MP.
Change started with the membership, who continued to enter events and jockey for an opportunity to go to the Olympics for the last 30+ years while the same abuse went on.
The coaches are equally, or perhaps more, at fault for not teaching horsemanship to the athletes - ie, if you fall off you’re done, if the horse refuses you don’t beat it over the fence, and on…and on…
I am certainly not the only one that wants the riding phase removed. Isabel Werth agrees with me. “Here they are only a means to an end”.
I beg to differ.
There have been multiple posts from different people on this thread in favor of the change.
Two people.
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