Modular Barn Companies - Anyone with a Lancaster?

Looking at modular barns. I know lots of people with Horizon barns who are not happy with them. Looking for something different.

MD Barnmaster is prohibitive due to freight. Quoted $68k installed for a 4 stall. I am looking at Lancaster Barns and so far like their pricing. Anyone have a barn from them that they like or do not like?

There is also a local company here who I am 95% sure is a reseller for Amish barns. I am talking to them about a custom layout.

I’d really, really like to be in my new barn by this winter hence the appeal of modular - once it’s done and the site is prepped, bam, there’s a barn.

I think Frey Brothers are in your area?

Some here and there have recommended them over the years.
Don’t know if they still have a good reputation, but just one more name to check out.

HIJACK:

I am interested in hearing what is not right with Horizon barns.
Is it the actual construction or something not delivered as promised?

One person I know has a serious issue with the materials used in construction. I think she is in active litigation with Horizon so I don’t want to give specifics, but her barn is not habitable.

Others I have seen (many…they’re very popular here) have just not seemed to hold up well. Considering they are top $$ for modular, I would expect better. Rusting stall doors after only a year or two, uneven settling of the building itself (not due to the foundation), etc.

A lot of places are resellers of the same amish builders which makes it a little harder to decide who to buy from and what issues are the building versus the seller.

@soloudinhere Thanks for that info.
I guess the best way to choose is see local examples of the modulars & go from there.

FWIW:
My builder was a local company recommended by a place I had boarded.
They used my place as example a couple times.
One woman was scandalized by a metal bracing piece inside one stall - horrified her horses would slice themselves on it.
15yrs & 3rd set of geldings here & nobody has managed that feat.

I’m pretty practical about design, I have ponies and everything is pretty palatial to them - but the things I’ve seen/friends have complained about have been mostly quality issues.

I’m talking to the post and beam guys locally here, but I am thinking it’s going to be more $$ than I want to spend though undoubtedly a beautiful building.

My BO bought and installed a modular 6 stall Horizon with feed/tack/wash stall 5 years ago. It went up quickly and has lived well. That said, over the last year, it has really started to show its age, much more so than I would expect for 5 years. Lots of rot on the sills, sliding doors, etc . . . Its going to need some real rehab this year. I believe you are correct that most of the “Amish” barns around here (PA/MidAtlantic) are brokered by resellers from a single source builder.

Rot is one of the many issues that people I know are having. One has such persistent rot that the barn can not be used and it’s 3 years old. The engineer was of the opinion that inferior materials were used.

Those that are having the rot issues-- is this because they never sealed the wood? I think the wood structures come untreated, right? Such that one needs to have it either painted and/or sealed?

Ours was sealed and painted.

Yeah, that’s the trick. My Horizon was actually built by J&D Structures, which I think builds most of the identical “Amish” barns from that area. I don’t love my Horizon either. I had quite a few issues, some craftsmanship and some customer service. For what they cost, the materials and workmanship are pretty sub-par.

I’ve posted this before on other threads but I’m copying to save myself some typing time:

I had a very mixed experience with Horizon.

On the one hand, the customer service during the design process was outstanding. I must have exchanged 30 emails with Mike Rinier pricing out different options. He was extremely patient and helpful. Horizon’s price was a little higher than two other identical Amish builders, but I wanted to buy from them because of all my good interactions with Mike, so I negotiated to split the difference.

When the barn was delivered I had some issues that I believe were Horizon’s fault but I ended up having to pay to fix half of them. What happened was I built my barn partially on an existing foundation, so the pressure-treated base sat on top of the concrete. Most people pour concrete for the aisle after the barn is in place, so the bottom of the stall and aisle doors is designed to sit 6" off the ground to allow for that. So my barn showed up and the stall and aisle doors ended 6" off the ground. What bothered me was they knew I was using existing concrete because 1) I told them and 2) they communicated directly with my foundation guy (whom they recommended to me). The “blueprints” they sent me showed the aisle doors going all the way to the ground so they extended the length of those at their cost by adding boards. The three stall doors I had to pay $450 to fix because if you looked closely at the blueprints you could tell the doors ended above the pressure treated beams. I did not think that was right but didn’t really feel like I had a choice because I would not have found anyone else to do it for less and the doors were really not safe as they were.

Then when the aisle doors were extended they didn’t open/close properly so some other guys came out to adjust the brackets, and they did a horrible job. They literally put two screws in one hole because they didn’t have large enough screws. And the doors still didn’t work properly. So, I complained and they fixed it, but it was a hassle. I was told that wasn’t one of their usual crews.

There were also minor issues with their electrician. He used a range outlet instead of a dryer outlet in the tack room, so I had to replace that at my own cost. He did put outlets where I wanted them but did not use GFCI outlets in the aisle initially. They did replace those when I requested. I ended up replacing the light switch unit myself because the one he installed was one of those outdoor ones with the clear plastic box over it and it was really annoying to have to unlock and lift that every time you wanted to use a switch. I prefer the big gray plastic switches that are also outdoor rated, which I had seen in every barn I ever boarded at. The moral of the story there is to be REALLY specific about what you want and don’t assume anything!

As far as the workmanship… I know the Amish have a great reputation but I’m not over the moon about how things were done. You can see a lot of nails that clearly missed their mark but were left in place, bolts that were angled in and not seated all the way, etc. They did some minor damage during delivery that couldn’t really be fixed. The pine they use is super knotty and the knots show through the expensive Sherwin Williams paint I used. They also used five different types of wood (oak for structural beams, pine boards, pine beadboard in the tackroom, plywood in various places, and this other wood for the headboards that’s different than everything else) so it’s tough to get stain to look the same everywhere.

My tack room is insulated and the insulation was not covered or enclosed, so birds were pulling it out to build nests with until I used pieces of plywood and wire mesh to plug all the access points. With the way the barn is built, with exposed wood framing and lots of nooks and crannies, there are so many places for birds to nest that I spend every spring chasing them out (starlings, not anything nice like barn swallows).

I’m not crazy about how the interior of the stalls is designed either and I’ve done a lot of upgrades. The stall dividers were too low for my WBs (6’) so I added another board above that to raise it to 7’. The interiors of the stalls have SO many edges and corners and things to chew on, it’s ridiculous. My horses aren’t chewers to the point where I would say they have a vice, but all those exposed beams are just way too tempting. I am always so jealous of people whose stall walls are totally flat, lol. I ended up framing out the walls and adding wood boards where I could to make the walls flat. Where I couldn’t, I added chew strips.

Speaking of chewing, less than two years after building the barn I replaced Horizon’s wooden Dutch doors with beautiful aluminum doors from Sunset (http://www.pacustomhorsestalls.com/) and I couldn’t be happier. Sunset told me they actually supply Horizon with all the interior metal fittings like grills and door frames, so you might be able to have Horizon substitute aluminum Dutch doors for wood if you wanted. Again, my horses aren’t terrible chewers but the wooden Dutch doors were just too tempting!

So, to wrap this up, you are getting what you pay for with these prefab barns but I do think there are steps you could take to make sure it will work for you. Step #1 is be really really clear about all of your expectations. #2 is look carefully at their designs and see if you can get them to customize things that you don’t like. Some of the stuff I mentioned about the stall interiors may not bother you but there may be something else.

Also keep in mind that pretty much all of the Amish barns are made by the same builder, J&N Structures, so although they are priced differently the product you get is basically identical. In my opinion Horizon does the best marketing job but ultimately the product is the same, to my knowledge.

FWIW, my friend had Horizon build a custom barn on-site for her and it is ridiculously gorgeous. She had a very good experience with them and the only issue she had was needing to get the aisle doors adjusted. But, she probably paid 3 times what I did for only twice as many stalls/amenities (she did an indoor wash rack, a grooming stall, a larger tack room, and a bathroom plus 6 stalls; I have 3 stalls and a tack room and I truly don’t miss all those other things). Also, I haven’t spent any time in her barn looking for the workmanship flaws that I notice in my barn every day so it’s possible they’re there.

Oh- wow- that stinks. Good for me to hear/learn this as I’m in the process of gathering quotes from local builders and the various modular barn builders.

Do you all think metal is the only way to go, in the sense of longevity? I really prefer the wood (board and batten or the like) so much more.

I would say, building materials will depend on where you build.
If in the coast, concrete block is best, wood or metal won’t last as long with humidity, acids and rust and rot.
You will have much maintenance protecting wood or metal.

Here, wood is prone to dry rot, just don’t last very long without, again, much maintenance.
For us, metal is best.

If metal is right for your region, as far as building material for a barn, a multi-purpose metal barn is the best for your money.

You then can make a horse barn, a shop, a warehouse, whatever you or anyone later fancy out of that space.
We have some metal barns that are getting closer to 100 years now, still perfectly fine, never needed repairs.

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We have a FCP barn. We had it installed 9 years ago. It has held up very well and the installation was painless. No rust at all. The titan wall is still like new. We have a sloping property and all the gates still swing nicely and don’t drag, as what usually happens with large span gates. My friend has a beautiful Castlebrook barn with the pretty wood. She has had to replace the wood twice because of a problem with rot. Good luck. It took us months of shopping before we decided on the FCP.

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Yes, I am wondering if MD Barnmaster is worth the money. I hadn’t heard of FCP (opposite coast from their head office) but I’ve sent for a quote.

Sorry- I ended up high jacking-- but want to thank you all. I’m going to continue reading with rapt attention. I’m in the process of getting quotes for a three stall barn in Central Virginia. It’s already overwhelming comparing apples to oranges.

I think I am going to spend the extra for the MD Barnmaster barn and not have to worry about rot/chewing/etc. it’s definitely not cheaper, so I am only going to do 3 stalls instead of 6, but it seems like it’s worth it.

Soloudinhere- I just reached out to them for a quote today. Though, for me, aesthetically, I don’t love the look. It just seems like maybe the best idea is to go with a company that has been around forever (Morton, MD Barnmaster, etc.)-- seems like they’ve been around for a reason- their product is quality. I’d love to hear an update as you proceed with them!

Still, I’m bummed to hear the Sunset, Horizon barns aren’t what they seem to be-- they really seemed like a nice, economical way to proceed.

Well, I was quoted $40k installed (not including site work) for a 3 stall (basically an enclosed shedrow, but slightly different layout). I am currently waiting to hear back from a local builder about a quote for just a 24x48 pole barn. In terms of valuing the property, the pole barn helps because it can be converted back. OTOH, the MD Barnmaster can be sold or moved.

My barn was purchased from Penn Dutch Structures but built by J&N. 4 stall shedrow, no overhang. It has Dutch doors on both sides and a pass through door from stall one and two so stall one is used as a tackroom and the horse to be tacked up placed in stall two. I added skylights and don’t miss the overhang at all. The stalls are bright and airy. The barn was placed on concrete piers required by the county zoning but I’m glad… it definitely helps keep it from settling unevenly which is necessary to keeps the doors working well. No rot, but I painted it myself. It’s 3 years old.