Criminal charges have been filed!!! 7 horses and 1 goat have been seized.
Not a lawyer so this might be a dumb question but why a supeoba and not a warrant for removing the animals?
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Not a lawyer so this might be a dumb question but why a supeoba and not a warrant for removing the animals?[/QUOTE]
Good question (but Iâm not a lawyer either).
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I donât necessarily like the tone of this blog, but it is one of the best summaries if you can cut through the sarcasm.
http://thedamienzone.com/2014/11/29/who-is-monica-thors-and-why-is-everybody-hating-her/[/QUOTE]
I already posted that blog earlier in this Thread.
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Are you out of your mind? Or do you just like to hear yourself talk? If you think Monica is misjudged, youâre as sick as she is. Thereâs nothing acceptable or understandable about what she did and your sneering here is very inappropriate.[/QUOTE]
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Bingo⊠typical LRâs MO. and the more people reply to him, the more he will go on.
HAHAhahahahaha!!!
Oh man - I knew my finger was twitching to add someone to the âignoreâ list. But then⊠oh then he said he had the TRUTH, the story we all missed! Oh what was this juicy knowledge? This poster seems to speak from their posterior most of the time - but wait, I must know the insider line!
What a let down - gees louise!
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So, whatâs the most logical explanation here. Itâs been on the radar for at least 10 months (Wow, and it wasnât COTHâŠOMG) with knowledge from authorities.
All of a sudden the complaint is Facebooked and authorities are suddenly inundated with complaints from constituents viewing pictures that tell 1,000 different words to 1,000 different people. It gets real ugly real fast. Like Hiroshima in slo-motion. Authorities succumb to pressure/perception 'cause theyâre now the abusers.
Thatâs all.
Youâve got a highly successful, hard-driven Scandanavian woman, used and abused by the industry trying to stay afloat both mentally and financially while maintaining a dream of promoting the dying harness racing industry.
Then she made the mistake of using/misusing a hooving product. With trust lost in others, she goes about using all the vet/blacksmith knowledge sheâs accumulated over the years. The timeframe, even with professionals, takes many, many months. Minute glimpses of progress fuels her. She doesnât lose hope, until itâs takenâŠand probably, appropriately. It sent her over the edge.
No prior abuses, simply a misjudgement.
Sheâs very different in her ways. Those tend to be misjudged.
Misjudgement X misjudged = firestormâŠespecially in the equine arena.
Just ask Temple Grandin.[/QUOTE]
OH MY GOD So you are saying she meant well?
I do not even know what to say to this!
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And, apparently, the NJ SPCA has opted to ignore the many (I have read 50) cats in her possession since they were not on the same property as the horses. This, despite scores of folks asking them âwhat about the cats?â, along with photos:
Excerpt from the link above:
"When asked about the cats allegedly being abused, Matt Stanton, NJ SPCA Spokesman said he was not aware of any cats on the property. âOur subpoena did not have cats on it.â[/QUOTE]
Those cats are in big trouble. Without the horses to work on, and with cat muzzles and willing hands to help hold them down (you can see both in her photos), this is a serious problem. I believe with the horses out of her reach she will simply switch over to the cats or whatever other animals she has. We need to keep this in the limelight. Cats are much easier to hide from the authorities, too.
Well said Anne FS.
It says a LOT about the NJSPCA intentionally leaving the animals at her house out of this. I say liar, liar pants on fire to the NJSPCA claiming they were not aware of the other animals at her house & what has been being done to them too.
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Those cats are in big trouble. Without the horses to work on, and with cat muzzles and willing hands to help hold them down (you can see both in her photos), this is a serious problem. I believe with the horses out of her reach she will simply switch over to the cats or whatever other animals she has. We need to keep this in the limelight. Cats are much easier to hide from the authorities, too.[/QUOTE]
I agree, Anne. Also, NJ SPCA was well aware of all those cats (Iâve read that Thors said she has 28; other comments have put the number around 50) and that they were not at the barn but at another location (Thorsâ house?). The street address was posted several times. In a case like this, ALL locations where Thors is said/thought to have animals should have been checked. Also, this basic âslap on the wristâ measly two charges make no mention of her being prohibited from owning horses, or any other animal - plus it indicates to me that the NJ SPCA either doesnât give a crap and/or they were not being truthful in how long and diligently theyâve been working on this situation (probably both).
Genuine question-- has anyone seen evidence of actual neglect or cruelty toward the cats? The horses and goat were clear cut cases to meâwhat she was doing put them in severe, constant pain and in grave health danger.
I have not seen anything that rises to that level for the cats. Cutting off whiskers and giving frequent baths is weird but not cruel in any legal sense.
Yes, she is trimming claws, but thereâs no comparison whatsoever between horse hooves and a catâs claw structure and purpose. Cats can do just fine with no claws.
That some cats needed a muzzle so they donât bite is not evidence of crueltyâdog groomers use muzzles all the time. Lots of people have to twitch their horses for brief procedures (itâs pretty easy to imagine a FB campaign devoted to stopping the supposedly cruel and bizarre practice of twitchingâya gotta admit it looks pretty terrible if you donât understand what itâs for). Pulling horsesâ manes is a standard practice in the horse world, even though itâs purely for fashion and it appears many horses really donât like the process. Owners brush off the horse dancing around as mere annoyance or impatience, when I believe itâs probably discomfort.
So, no, Iâm not on board with the campaign extending to get all animals away from her, unless there is evidence of cruelty or neglect that meets legal standards. Stuff thatâs weird and annoying, or grooming that is temporarily uncomfortable but not crippling or life-threatening, is not IMO grounds for the government to deprive someone of their property or liberty.
I feel very sorry for the cats, and I hope treatment or family pressure can stop her from doing that stuff.
How about we have no idea how short the cat claws are being trimmed. Donât you think that too warrants investigation?
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How about we have no idea how short the cat claws are being trimmed. Donât you think that too warrants investigation?[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
I think the argument would be something along the lines of âif one child shows signs of abuse, remove all children.â
I agree with you, HungarianHippo, that nothing we have seen about the cats is legally abusive - albeit really, really strange and probably not something the cats enjoy.
Even so, given that she has shown quite a bit of mental instability and poor judgement with care to animals - there is reason to be concerned.
The mouths on the cats look weird too. Thereâs been speculation that sheâs been trimming their teeth.
Not sure if its true, not sure if thereâs any pictures showing something of thisâŠbut all the cats have very oddly shaped mouths.
Iâve read somewhere that removing the whiskers affects a catâs ability to balance itself and move in a straight line/jump, though I donât know just how much it affects them or how accurate that is.
Youâd think it would make sense to have a vet or two over to at least check on the cats either way.
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Those cats are in big trouble.[/QUOTE]
I think there are efforts afoot to help the cats. I hate to say this, but all the animals are still at risk 
As I understand it, the horses were seized as evidence. They havenât been forfeited, so thereâs no guarantee they wonât be returned to her. Thatâs why itâs so important to keep the eye on the ball and focus on what happens next. Iâm praying like crazy that sheâll get psychiatric help and voluntarily give up all the animals.
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Those cats are in big trouble. Without the horses to work on, and with cat muzzles and willing hands to help hold them down (you can see both in her photos), this is a serious problem. I believe with the horses out of her reach she will simply switch over to the cats or whatever other animals she has. We need to keep this in the limelight. Cats are much easier to hide from the authorities, too.[/QUOTE]
Oh God, I cannot even think about it.
Makes me sick to my stomach.
I can only pray they are removed.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151935401409998&set=pb.603744997.-2207520000.1417637288.&type=3&theater I donât know if Iâm linking this rightâŠ
Alright, that worked.
This is off her facebook page from I think 2010. I did see a pic of a vet working on her horses the other day and Iâm trying to find it again. CBS Philly will have an updated news piece this evening apparently. This has been going on for years and itâs all documented in pictures with names and explanations, etc. I hope they can legally get the cats out too and the dog.
