My dogs and I were attacked by a pitt bull this morning (we're OK)

[rugbygirl]

Of course it was a dumb, irresponsible thing to do of the owners to take any chance at all for their dog to get lost, especially with a label like that. But does that family and their dog really deserve to have their pet bear sprayed and/or shot because of this? Idk.
Last edited by DogIsMyCopilot; Oct. 22, 2016 at 05:40 AM.

Yes. The family is completely responsible. No animal deserves to be hurt unnecessarily, but the family is absolutely responsible. There was a dog missing in this area earlier this year. It escaped from a boarding kennel and owned by someone in the city. The warnings put on the signs about not approaching, not chasing and reporting sightings made me seriously wonder how this animal was allowed to live in the city. This was an aggressive intact male dog with bite work training. Super. Someone from the city managed to lose that dog out in my county.

[AliCat]

[QUOTE=DogIsMyCopilot;8902473]
Let me guess, he is either “Blue Line” or “Red Nose”.[/QUOTE]

No clue. He’s mostly brownish with a white head and blue eyes.

[DogIsMyCopilot]

OF COURSE they are responsible, no question there. They also took responsibility for the earlier incident. They complied with the city’s rules, that’s why the dog was outside of the city when this happened, they felt like they could not appropriately exercise their dog in the city.
I don’t know the dog or the family, the family claims the issues had been resolved through extensive training. This dog is not a menace to society, he hasn’t killed another dog or mauled a person. This dog did not have bite work training. Fwiw, it’s not a Pit Bull either.
All the family is asking for is for people not to try and catch him, and they certainly don’t want self-appointed heroes to search and shoot / bear spray him. All they want is for anyone who sees him to leave him alone and call them.
So were they irresponsible? YES! Do I think they should be fined / punished? Yeah, probably. But do I consider it an appropriate “punishment” for them to have their dog killed? No, actually I don’t.

[skyon]

[QUOTE=DogIsMyCopilot;8902660]
OF COURSE they are responsible, no question there. They also took responsibility for the earlier incident. They complied with the city’s rules, that’s why the dog was outside of the city when this happened, they felt like they could not appropriately exercise their dog in the city.
I don’t know the dog or the family, the family claims the issues had been resolved through extensive training. This dog is not a menace to society, he hasn’t killed another dog or mauled a person. This dog did not have bite work training. Fwiw, it’s not a Pit Bull either.]All they want is for anyone who sees him to leave him alone and call them.
So were they irresponsible? YES! Do I think they should be fined / punished? Yeah, probably. But do I consider it an appropriate “punishment” for them to have their dog killed? No, actually I don’t. [/QUOTE]

Yes, I think you are showing an obvious bias towards the dog and this family. I am curious as to just what type of dog this is.

There are xxx attacks listed where there is no prosecution where people are maimed/killed on their property, not on the dog owners property.

These people lost their dog with a public record of aggression on public and/or private land that is not theirs, if something happens - who will have to pay the penalty? The landowner and/or the tax payers?

People around here warn to carry bear spray and mace regarding dogs loose on streets where no action is taken against a known owner.

And it comes full circle to what type of dog is loose - if it is a larger breed with a rep for guarding and damage, then these people choose to own that dog and had a responsibility.

You can get away with this when areas don’t have much population entering. Not so much when public and others do enter areas and should be warned.

Not to mention that some lost dogs really do manage to pack-up and imo, that is where the real danger lies.

[Perfect10]

[QUOTE=skyon;8902717]
Yes, I think you are showing an obvious bias towards the dog and this family. I am curious as to just what type of dog this is.

There are xxx attacks listed where there is no prosecution where people are maimed/killed on their property, not on the dog owners property.

These people lost their dog with a public record of aggression on public and/or private land that is not theirs, if something happens - who will have to pay the penalty? The landowner and/or the tax payers?

People around here warn to carry bear spray and mace regarding dogs loose on streets where no action is taken against a known owner.

And it comes full circle to what type of dog is loose - if it is a larger breed with a rep for guarding and damage, then these people choose to own that dog and had a responsibility.

You can get away with this when areas don’t have much population entering. Not so much when public and others do enter areas and should be warned.

Not to mention that some lost dogs really do manage to pack-up and imo, that is where the real danger lies.[/QUOTE]

Is it really fair to kill any dog when it isn’t imminently dangerous? This dog doesn’t sound like the type that’s going to attack an innocent person walking through the woods. In fact, most dogs won’t. The ones that will are the ones that we need to be talking about. They are dangerous dogs and should be euthanized. If they’re minding their own business they have just as much right to life as you.

[skyon]

[QUOTE=Perfect10;8902723]
Is it really fair to kill any dog when it isn’t imminently dangerous? This dog doesn’t sound like the type that’s going to attack an innocent person walking through the woods. In fact, most dogs won’t. The ones that will are the ones that we need to be talking about. They are dangerous dogs and should be euthanized. If they’re minding their own business they have just as much right to life as you.[/QUOTE]

See my post.

This dog has a Public Record of Aggression.

This dog is loose because the owners lost him/her.

No one seems to mention just what type of dog this is.

Please also see the story regarding the CA man mauled in his own backyard by dogs that had NO public record.

Please also read up on the concept of Packing Up.

[DogIsMyCopilot]

[QUOTE=skyon;8902730]
See my post.

This dog has a Public Record of Aggression.

This dog is loose because the owners lost him/her.

No one seems to mention just what type of dog this is.

Please also see the story regarding the CA man mauled in his own backyard by dogs that had NO public record.

Please also read up on the concept of Packing Up.[/QUOTE]

The dog in question is registered as a Lab x Great Dane.

https://m.facebook.com/176464149384523/photos/a.201884303509174.1073741828.176464149384523/325446857819584/?type=3&source=57

I’m not sure why this is relevant, but he’s certaily not even remotely a “bully type” or block headed dog.
For all we know, the dog is alone, not in a group, so “packing up” is not really the issue here.

[Riley0522]

[QUOTE=AliCat;8902405]
I’m in NJ. The dog is owned by friends of mine that are hoping he would be ok in a child and pet free home. He’s VERY large, well over 100lbs. I know what I would do in their position but respect that they want to try to rehome. He just needs to come with a very clear warning.[/QUOTE]

I’ve never met any dog that falls into the “Pit Bull” grouping [Am Staff, Staffordshire Bull Terrier or Pit Bull Terrier] that could be that big. Maybe he’s part of that new fad “American Bully” which is basically a mutt, but not a Pit Bull. If he is human aggressive in the least, the kindest thing to do would be euthanize, not pass on the problem.

[DogIsMyCopilot]

[QUOTE=skyon;8902730]
See my post.

This dog has a Public Record of Aggression.

This dog is loose because the owners lost him/her.

No one seems to mention just what type of dog this is.

Please also see the story regarding the CA man mauled in his own backyard by dogs that had NO public record.

Please also read up on the concept of Packing Up.[/QUOTE]

The dog in question is registered as a Lab x Great Dane.

https://m.facebook.com/176464149384523/photos/a.201884303509174.1073741828.176464149384523/325446857819584/?type=3&source=57

I’m not sure why this is relevant, but he’s certaily not even remotely a “bully type” or block headed dog.
For all we know, the dog is alone, not in a group, so “packing up” is not really the issue here.

I’m not sure either why I would have an “obvious bias” towards these people and their dog? I don’t know them, it’s not “my breed”. If anything, it would be my tax dollars being spent and I am at risk of running into him with my dogs, since it’s an area where I frequently hike too (it’s a pretty remote area, unless he covers a lot of ground there is not much chance he will wander into someone’s back yard).

[skyon]

[QUOTE=DogIsMyCopilot;8902784]
The dog in question is registered as a Lab x Great Dane.

https://m.facebook.com/176464149384523/photos/a.201884303509174.1073741828.176464149384523/325446857819584/?type=3&source=57

I’m not sure why this is relevant, but he’s certaily not even remotely a “bully type” or block headed dog.
For all we know, the dog is alone, not in a group, so “packing up” is not really the issue here.[/QUOTE]

A lab/great dane cross that has public aggression on his record is an issue.

Packing up becomes a secondary and legit issue.

There are joggers killed, among others, when the neighborhood loose dog meets the other neighborhood loose dogs. It sparks a firestorm every time it happens.

Everyone screams feral dogs only to realize just where those feral dogs came from.

[skyon]

[QUOTE=Perfect10;8902723]
Is it really fair to kill any dog when it isn’t imminently dangerous? … If they’re minding their own business they have just as much right to life as you.[/QUOTE]

I just saw this. No they do not.

And that type of mindset is where law needs to kick you in the butt, and hard.

[Perfect10]

[QUOTE=skyon;8902822]
A lab/great dane cross that has public aggression on his record is an issue.

Packing up becomes a secondary and legit issue.

There are joggers killed, among others, when the neighborhood loose dog meets the other neighborhood loose dogs. It sparks a firestorm every time it happens.

Everyone screams feral dogs only to realize just where those feral dogs came from.[/QUOTE]

He didn’t even break the skin. If he had wanted to hurt someone, he would have already.

[DogIsMyCopilot]

This is not a residental area, it’s pretty remote. There are no joggers there, mostly hikers and rock climbers. I really don’t think “packing up” is going to be an issue here.

Look, I hike there too. If I really thought that there is a risk that this dog is out there actively trying to hurt me or my dogs, or that this is the beginning of a feral pack of dogs, I’d be uncomfortable too. But I really don’t think this is the case.
I am all in favor of e.g. making the owners pay for the work that the RCMP is putting in. They caused it, they fix it. But I still don’t think it’s a measured “punishment” to make the dog pay for this with his life.

[AliCat]

[QUOTE=Riley0522;8902793]
I’ve never met any dog that falls into the “Pit Bull” grouping [Am Staff, Staffordshire Bull Terrier or Pit Bull Terrier] that could be that big. Maybe he’s part of that new fad “American Bully” which is basically a mutt, but not a Pit Bull. If he is human aggressive in the least, the kindest thing to do would be euthanize, not pass on the problem.[/QUOTE]
The updated info says he 95lbs.

My friends do love this dog but realize he’s got cards stacked against him, so they have been turned down by rescues. People on FB are giving them grief for considering euthing instead of no kill shelters. It’s unreal. He can’t be trusted with other pets and acted unfavorably (she described it as looking at the baby like a possum in the yard), yet people are telling them they should be hiring a trainer. ughhhhhhhj

[Lord_Helpus]

[QUOTE=scierra;8885804]
It’s the owner, not the breed. I’ve had bad experiences with other breeds from Chows to small dogs. Plus I’m not ignorant and I own a pit mix. I really took offense to that statement, all of us are not ignorant or irresponsible.[/QUOTE]

Poodles and labs must have bad owners in about the same ratio as pit bulls do. But you do not hear about a lot of lab and poodle attacks.

In addition to there being more pit bull attacks as a % of the breed, their locking jaws have a bigger chance of doing real damage if/when they do attack.

[scierra]

They do not have locking jaws.

[JanM]

They don’t have locking jaws, but they have very powerful jaws, and are very tenacious when they latch on.

It’s terrifying to imagine anyone or their pet getting attacked, or killed by an animal that is so powerful. People who own large animals, with or without a bite history need to contain their animals effectively, and train them. Fat chance that will happen either. Too many people don’t treat their animals properly, and never will.

[CanadianTrotter]

[QUOTE=Belmont;8887866]
You also need to look at the availability for pits (and mixes) vs. others. As I stated in my post, we see a number more of aggressive German Sheps than anything else. However, most GSD’s and other more aggressive breeds (not that all GSD’s are bad) are for sale at a higher price. Where as pit’s are so easily available to anyone. I could get on CL or walk into any shelter and twirl around and probably fall on a pit.[/QUOTE]

Back before pit bulls/pit bull types became popular, overbred and overpopulated, the Shepherd, Dobe and Rottie all had their time in the spotlight as “dog of choice”. During those times none of those breeds bit, attacked, maimed or killed the large amount that pit bulls/pit bull types have during their time in the spotlight.

[skyon]

[QUOTE=CanadianTrotter;8903591]
Back before pit bulls/pit bull types became popular, overbred and overpopulated, the Shepherd, Dobe and Rottie all had their time in the spotlight as “dog of choice”. During those times none of those breeds bit, attacked, maimed or killed the large amount that pit bulls/pit bull types have during their time in the spotlight.[/QUOTE]

I’d like to see some real numbers on that and dog maulings to the public and children.

I am reading the book Pitbull and what I don’t like is her favoring of Animal Farm.

Animal Farm is not about “animals” but a name front for a pitbull lobbyist.

[CanadianTrotter]

[QUOTE=Incantation;8892221]

The next dog you will have to ban in my area is the Cane Corso. They are the next tough guy dog. They are already in the hands of byb, breeding whatever dogs they have and selling puppies on craigslist, no questions asked. Yet another powerful breed ending up in the hands of morons who have no clue.[/QUOTE]

If there was ever a dog breed that I think should be totally exterminated…it’s this one. Also the Presa Canario.

The size and unbelievable power of these dogs cannot be restrained by even the most experienced.