[QUOTE=pictureonemore;8983424]
That’s a phenomenal achievement, those hundreds of years in the business. Pray tell, does the source of this longevity also sell majickal verbal leashes as well? I feel certain that those will come in handy.[/QUOTE]
Either I’m too old or you are too clever because I do not understand the reference. Please explain if you have time. Thank you.
Either I’m too old or you are too clever because I do not understand the reference. Please explain if you have time. Thank you.
Perhaps reading the thread in its entirety would be prudent?
“Sharing your personal experiences publicly is NOT slander if it is TRUE. I have photos, videos, vet statements, witnesses, etc to back up EVERY SINGLE CLAIM.”
we still haven’t seen them. I agree with NCRider-- it’s stupid and naieve to believe on blind faith.
Look, I feel bad for the OP. I do. I don’t assume one way or the other. I’m not on anyone’s “side”.
Clearly this isn’t a discussion, it’s mandated we all have one response. It’s been getting way worse on here this year…
OP wants to slam Ellen, great. It’s been done. We get it.
Ok so I’m gonna dive in, because hell… I have a big mouth and strong opinions and I don’t mind waving both around. But I’ve also been a member of these forums since 2000 (or so) and I feel like I do have some things to say.
As others have said… if there’s smoke often there is fire. Ellen has a shaky (that’s a kind word) reputation that makes it easy to believing this awful list of infractions.
Among the defenders and proponents of side A versus side B I have seen no actual discussions about some of the scariest charges…so let’s try to redirect:
a) Would you be happy with an 8(!!) yr old child doing morning barn on any of your horses without adult supervision? What if it was your child?
b) If someone took your horse out of state to school xc with a rider other than yourself without your knowledge/ permission… what would your reaction be?
c) 8 hours of colic behavior and no notification… Hell… let’s make it 4 hours… for what you pay a month… what exactly would you do if they’d known that time and had not at least given you a call to say “Hey I noticed… right now I’m watching it but do you want me to do more?” I’m biased because I am close to and work at New Bolton… but I get that not everyone has facilities in their back yards nor the money to actually contemplate that series of costs. But seriously no communication is a COMMON Barn problem. DISCUSS.
I am lucky to come to this 9 pages in and have read ALL the posts and looked at the OP’s FB pages. I don’t have to wonder if she’s telling the truth. HALF of her list is enough for me. The rest is just added horror. I have lost a horse but it was crap luck (Lightning, turned out in a field with a shed and lightning rods…wrong place at wrong time). I know the loss factor. I cannot imagine having been able to ask for my mare to have not be turned out in a dangerous area and been ignored and lost her anyway. That would have truly endangered my ability to stay outside of jail!
Those who are questioning the OP have not really stood in her shoes. You may think you have, but you haven’t. Those defending the coach, honestly… look close, you will likely be a victim in the future. If you aren’t, great. But this kind of false idol worship usually comes with great costs.
To close, OP, I’m sorry you’ve gone through this but I get it. To everyone not focusing on the 17 point list… maybe we could show a little Christmas/Holiday spirit and talk about how WE WOULD HAVE REACTED, and let the OP know that we too would be horrified, confused and ashamed. At least for your horse’s sake I hope you would.
~Emily
It’s not like the person doing the accusing isn’t a very public figure herself. She has something to lose if this weren’t true.
That being said, it wouldn’t be a thread without SendenHorse demanding a website where all documentation is posted for his/her perusal and validation of the complaint, because otherwise of course the complaint is not legitimate and the proof does not exist until he/she says so.
I am a newbie to this forum and here only to support Stormy17 and to try to prevent these kinds of things from happening to anyone else. Yes, I am one of the barn owners that sent Ellen packing from my barn, costing me roughly $25,000 in rent not paid, legal fees and loss of property. I have talked with all the other barn owners in this area who “fired” Ellen and Stormy’s list of events/complaints are all believable and fit a pattern of behavior that we all have experienced one way or another. I am not an eventer but I am well aware of Ellen’s reputation in this area and probably nationally. Like i said in my earlier post, I wanted so badly to take Ellen to court a second time but was not prepared to spend up to $50,000 to gain back $5,000 in property losses. What I also wanted to do was to find a way to get the word out so this would not happen again. I just didn’t know how to do that and am not sure this forum will produce the wanted results. Is it not possible for
the USEA to review behavior such as this and decide to place restrictions on what this person can do, either competition wise or training wise?
I am a newbie to this forum and here only to support Stormy17 and to try to prevent these kinds of things from happening to anyone else. Yes, I am one of the barn owners that sent Ellen packing from my barn, costing me roughly $25,000 in rent not paid, legal fees and loss of property. I have talked with all the other barn owners in this area who “fired” Ellen and Stormy’s list of events/complaints are all believable and fit a pattern of behavior that we all have experienced one way or another. I am not an eventer but I am well aware of Ellen’s reputation in this area and probably nationally. Like i said in my earlier post, I wanted so badly to take Ellen to court a second time but was not prepared to spend up to $50,000 to gain back $5,000 in property losses. What I also wanted to do was to find a way to get the word out so this would not happen again. I just didn’t know how to do that and am not sure this forum will produce the wanted results. Is it not possible for
the USEA to review behavior such as this and decide to place restrictions on what this person can do, either competition wise or training wise?
Did you mean “magical”? The “majickal” confused me. Sorry, not sure you are being intentionally rude, or if I’m taking it that way or that you simply believe me to be obtuse. I believe dogs and horses don’t mix. I have a no dog policy at my barn.
“Sharing your personal experiences publicly is NOT slander if it is TRUE. I have photos, videos, vet statements, witnesses, etc to back up EVERY SINGLE CLAIM.”
we still haven’t seen them. I agree with NCRider-- it’s stupid and naieve to believe on blind faith.
Look, I feel bad for the OP. I do. I don’t assume one way or the other. I’m not on anyone’s “side”.
Clearly this isn’t a discussion, it’s mandated we all have one response. It’s been getting way worse on here this year…
OP wants to slam Ellen, great. It’s been done. We get it.
You clearly know who she is on Facebook as you were the first to share her post from there to this thread, so have you messaged her? Send her a pm there and ask for the documentation if you so choose. That, however, is only my suggestion as I do not speak for the OP.
Did you mean “magical”? The “majickal” confused me. Sorry, not sure you are being intentionally rude, or if I’m taking it that way or that you simply believe me to be obtuse.
It’s a COTH thing. Parelli has a majikal effect on all “pet the pony” type of owners.
Emily
Did you mean “magical”? The “majickal” confused me. Sorry, not sure you are being intentionally rude, or if I’m taking it that way or that you simply believe me to be obtuse. I believe dogs and horses don’t mix. I have a no dog policy at my barn.
Well, if I were being rude, it would certainly be intentional. However, my suggestion of reading the thread would have shown this comment from lucegoose, located on page 2:
I’m not sure why y’all are fixating on the OP not leaving when we could be discussing the Majikal Invisible Verbal Leash that is apparently horse show legal.
That is the reference. It is a COTH thing as well, as Xctrygirl said re:spelling.
Where can I find the Invisible Verbal Leash?
[QUOTE=pictureonemore;8983481]
Well, if I were being rude, it would certainly be intentional. However, my suggestion of reading the thread would have shown this comment from lucegoose, located on page 2:
That is the reference. It is a COTH thing as well, as Xctrygirl said re:spelling.[/QUOTE]
Clever.
[QUOTE=narcisco;8983483]
Where can I find the Invisible Verbal Leash?[/QUOTE]
The first post by the OP, point number 14.
[QUOTE=Dutchmare433;8983493]
The first post by the OP, point number 14.[/QUOTE]
Or page 2 if you are needing a majickal one.
As someone posted earlier, there are two sides to every story. We are all saddened by the loss of two beloved horses and I’d like to publicly offer my condolences to Stormy Daniels and Glendon Crain for their tremendous loss. As I was not involved, whatsoever, in the incident, I’m not sure why this public bashing has occurred now. I’m saddened that a friendship and long term client relationship has come to this. We all grow and learn through every experience. And through that experience, I’ve learned to handle business privately and only involve necessary persons. I’m refraining to comment on the accusations made, not because any of them are true, but because this is not the forum, time, or place for any judgment to be rendered. If anyone would like to contact me privately, please feel free to do so.
Ellen Doughty-Hume
Txhorsetrainer@gmail.com
[QUOTE=txhorsetrainer;8983499]
As someone posted earlier, there are two sides to every story. We are all saddened by the loss of two beloved horses and I’d like to publicly offer my condolences to Stormy Daniels and Glendon Crain for their tremendous loss. As I was not involved, whatsoever, in the incident, I’m not sure why this public bashing has occurred now. I’m saddened that a friendship and long term client relationship has come to this. We all grow and learn through every experience. And through that experience, I’ve learned to handle business privately and only involve necessary persons. I’m refraining to comment on the accusations made, not because any of them are true, but because this is not the forum, time, or place for any judgment to be rendered. If anyone would like to contact me privately, please feel free to do so.
Ellen Doughty-Hume
Txhorsetrainer@gmail.com[/QUOTE]
For posterity.
Emily/Xctrygirl, thank you for your post.
I don’t know anyone involved in this story, but I am deeply sorry for the OP for the loss of your horses. It is heartbreaking.
I hope that you are able to move forward, and have some good luck in the future.
Best wishes, from Canada.
[QUOTE=txhorsetrainer;8983499]
As someone posted earlier, there are two sides to every story. We are all saddened by the loss of two beloved horses and I’d like to publicly offer my condolences to Stormy Daniels and Glendon Crain for their tremendous loss. As I was not involved, whatsoever, in the incident, I’m not sure why this public bashing has occurred now. I’m saddened that a friendship and long term client relationship has come to this. We all grow and learn through every experience. And through that experience, I’ve learned to handle business privately and only involve necessary persons. I’m refraining to comment on the accusations made, not because any of them are true, but because this is not the forum, time, or place for any judgment to be rendered. If anyone would like to contact me privately, please feel free to do so.
Ellen Doughty-Hume
Txhorsetrainer@gmail.com[/QUOTE]
That response sounds very reasonable and well-thought out.
Maybe I will stay at your barn instead of taking all my horses away to another facility…
:nonchalance:
Quote function still broken for me. Darn it.
For those asking “How does she still have clients if she’s this horrible?”, there are quite a few trainers that prey on inexperienced or desperate people and create a toxic environment that can be hard to escape. I boarded for a few months at a barn owned by a lady I now refer to as Psycho McCrazypants, and I was lucky to escape before too long. But I only got out because I’d been in the horse world for a while and knew that yanking on a horse’s mouth while beating it with a dressage whip in each hand while calling it a “stupid pig” (just to name one of many incidents) was not normal. But Psycho McCrazypants was (and is) able to convince a lot of people that her way is the only way, and she’s the only one who can help them win. These people are everywhere, and it can be hard to escape quickly.
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