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For anyone needing a refresher for the link to my FB post, here ya go:
https://www.facebook.com/stormy.daniels.1/posts/10154269622601483?comment_id=10154339195306483&reply_comment_id=10154339253106483¬if_t=feed_comment¬if_id=1484345092309752[/QUOTE]
:eek:
Terminology–controlled substances are DEA scheduled drugs.
Prescription medications are the stuff that isn’t OTC.
And in most states, it would be a violation of the practice act for the barn help to be administering injectable prescription drugs without written or in some cases, oral veterinary orders. Not that it is often enforced…
How is the horse?
Yes, how is the horse?
And Stormy - how’re you holding up? Is there anything we can do to help?
Yeah, how rude of me. How are you holding up, Stormy?
I would have been extremely angry if I found my horse in that condition at a barn I was boarding at. That can be a very tricky situation.
The horse is absolutley fine. That video is from December of 2015. This is the same horse OP states that EDH showed lame in Florida in Feb 2016. She forgets to mention that the horse was eliminated 2/3 of the way though the dressage test, so did not enter the arena head bobbing lame, as she states ! It ended up being an inflamed splint bone, which he probably hit while he was doing the test.
For the video that Stormy posted, Ellen was going out of town to teach a clinic in Michigan, and when she looked at him the day she left, he just had some swelling in the hind leg. EDH notified Stormy that the horse had cellulitis in a Hind leg and started him on uniprim. She asked about calling a vet and Stormy said to just wait until she was home the next day and could look at him, unless EDH thought a vet call was necessary. He stayed in a stall for 36 hours, and the swelling caused him to look like he did in the video (this is the same horse that stormy jokes is addicted to drugs and banamine and is a drama queen. He gets a cut and acts like you broke his leg) . Stormy called the vet, vet diagnosed as cellulitis and gave another shot of antibiotics and told barn staff to keep him on the uniprim that he had already started on. Horse was back 100% sound within a week.
All of these Allegations have back stories and other sides to them. EDH runs a very professional barn and makes sure the horses are very well taken care of. There are not ribby horses or horse abuse as many have alluded to. One look around her barn and you would see for yourself. Don’t believe everything you read online. I’m hoping EDH will post a response to all this BS, because I know the backstories behind most of these allegations and have seen the proof refuting them
Yes, Mickey 2000 is correct. The horse is now fine…and clearly this an old video which I never claimed it wasn’t. (my horses haven’t even been on her property in 4 months so I hope no one thinks this was recent)
The second part of this post is 100% lie. I know who you are (shall I call you out by name…we know how much you hated that last time) and you weren’t even a boarder at EDH’s barn at the time of this incident. Ellen NEVER told me the horse was lame. SHE NEVER CALLED OR TEXTED ME. If I am lying, let’s see proof of this call. Phone records are easy proof. And ANYONE who knows me will say that I would never ever wait to call a vet for anything…I am actually more prone to call a vet when not necessary. But thanks for pointing out another incident of Ellen giving a horse meds without me knowing or giving consent. I was told the horse was actually worse the day before and “at least he’s standing today…he laid down most of yesterday”
The vet said if his condition was any bit worse or didn’t quickly improve that he’d have to put an IV drip of antibiotics directly into the leg. Thankfully this didn’t happen and he was in fact sound again a week later.
Hey Mickey 2000…I just found the proof that you and EDH are lying about this. NOT only did Ellen not call me but I now remember that a working student took it upon herself to contact me. I got the message when I landed and rushed right out to the barn. The photo my friend is going to post for me (because I can’t seem to figure out how to do it) is going to prove that Mickey’s comment is a lie, that Ellen gave my horse meds AGAIN without consent and that she is angry a working student went against her wishes and finally called me (seeing any patterns here??)
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc494/flaxenfilly23/IMG_3820.jpg
If you want proof that Stormy wasn’t notified about Buzz until after she was back in Dallas, here you go…
A clean barn and fat horses don’t always mean everything is fine and dandy…
And if all these people are saying the same thing… willing to back it up… highly doubt it’s false…
Unless you want to say they ALL have a vendetta?
Hey… Does EDH know you are on here badmouthing previous clients? That all by itself is crappy business. Insult former clients, kill their horse, refuse to feed, refuse to call vet, directly responsible for who even knows how many injuries…
Honestly. There’s not a single thing you, your buddy a couple pages back, or EDH herself can say to justify this. You’re caught, busted. Gotcha.
I don’t have a dog, er, horse, in this particular fight … but I’ve seen more bad barn managers than good ones. If my horse had any type of leg injury, I’d want to be notified ASAP … like within a few minutes of someone noticing it so we could discuss the situation OR I’d want a qualified veterinarian on top of it right away.
If a horse has done something that seems minor, it still needs to be checked every 15 minutes or so to see if it is aggressively changing or not.
Cellulitis can go south very quickly.
So, like I said before, if my horse looked like that and it wasn’t being taken seriously, I’d be really ticked off.
This is just the tip of the iceberg!
When your find yourself in a deep hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging.
When I was a working student during the dawn of social media, it was very promptly pounded into my head that I said NOTHING about business, horses, clients, or anything pertaining to the business of the farm online and to be very discreet in conversation. I know more about the different facets of that now after a few years in the industry, but while discretion is the better part of valor, there are times to keep your mouth shut and times you need to shine some sunlight into the shadows. This thread has shown some good examples of both.
WNT exactly. A true professional would do all you have mentioned and also take measures to ensure any employees (in any capacity) would do the same.
Today, in addition to everything else, you must know how to manage technology and social media. It is crucial to your business. You and your business should not be perceived as acting like a ‘high school girl’ should something ‘unfavorable’ come to light.
I don’t know about Texas, but in California it is illegal to administer Rx drugs by IV and charge for it if you’re not a vet.
Also, there’s a link to a screen shot of a FB post in this thread. In that screen shot EDH herself states “I’ve started him on ______” (I can’t remember what drug she referenced). I think that would also be illegal in California. The way she posted that drug reference it came through as she decided what Rx to give and had started it. That is acting as a vet without a license. Did she also bill the OP for the drugs and treatment?
There appears to be a trend at EDH’s barn of not calling a vet when one is clearly needed - a thrashing, colicky pony; a 3-legged lame horse…what’s the big deal with simply calling a vet?
Of course most experienced horse people have made the decision to hand walk a colicking horse if they are not down. It’s happened a lot over the years that I called or texted the vet and said “Pony seems colicky so I’m going to give some oral banamine and hand walk for a while - but I want you to know in case this turns for the worse” and then I didn’t need the vet because the colic passes. But when they are down and thrashing? Or when they’ve blown through the meds you’ve given? You call the vet!
Is not calling the vet or directling others to not call when a horse is clearly in pain a mental condition? I ask this seriously. I can’t understand why these decisions were made by EDH.
Stormy, I’m glad your horse is doing much better. I really hate to nitpick, but being a vet I have to say that one of your statements was probably just a misunderstanding of terminology. If the vet is going to use IV (intravenous) fluids, he’s not going to put them directly into the leg. He’s going to put it into a vein. It won’t get to the leg any faster if it goes into the leg. Blood is pumped VERY quickly through the body. It takes less than a minute for it to get to the leg. Maybe he was going to put something in the leg IM (intramuscularly), but not likely IV.
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I don’t know about Texas, but in California it is illegal to administer Rx drugs by IV and charge for it if you’re not a vet.
Also, there’s a link to a screen shot of a FB post in this thread. In that screen shot EDH herself states “I’ve started him on ______” (I can’t remember what drug she referenced). I think that would also be illegal in California. The way she posted that drug reference it came through as she decided what Rx to give and had started it. That is acting as a vet without a license. Did she also bill the OP for the drugs and treatment?
There appears to be a trend at EDH’s barn of not calling a vet when one is clearly needed - a thrashing, colicky pony; a 3-legged lame horse…what’s the big deal with simply calling a vet?
Of course most experienced horse people have made the decision to hand walk a colicking horse if they are not down. It’s happened a lot over the years that I called or texted the vet and said “Pony seems colicky so I’m going to give some oral banamine and hand walk for a while - but I want you to know in case this turns for the worse” and then I didn’t need the vet because the colic passes. But when they are down and thrashing? Or when they’ve blown through the meds you’ve given? You call the vet!
Is not calling the vet or directling others to not call when a horse is clearly in pain a mental condition? I ask this seriously. I can’t understand why these decisions were made by EDH.[/QUOTE]
Correct WasthatC. A vet WAS called.
The pony colicking; showed up very mild, horse was laying down in pasture longer than normal, brought in to be watched, given banamine. Horse was munching alfalfa hay and appeared to be fairly normal for several hours. In the afternoon, colic signs started to show again and pony looked worse. Vet WAS called and pony was started on IV fluids. By the evening, IV fluids were not doing the trick and pony had ripped out the line, so the OPs friend drove him to the emergency vet clinic. At that point, a vet had already seen him and started the fluids. HE was not "thrashing around in the stall with nobody doing anything. " again, a dramatization. That friend and OP state that EDH should have stayed with him overnight. That is what working students are for. EDH has lessons to teach and horses to ride, she is an ULR trying to run a business; she can’t stay up all night every time a horse colics. She left a Ws in charge that worked at the vet clinic and was told to notify her and owner or vet if anything changed, which she did. EDH would have happily trailered him to the emergency clinic, but Stormys friend wanted to (she was also the breeder of said pony).
Any time a horse is colicky she usually has her staff start on banamine, hand walk or put on the theraplate, Contact a vet and the owner to let them know, and monitor the horse, Depending on how serious it presents itself. Many resolve without vet interaction.
EDH is a great horsewoman and hasn’t gotten herself as far as she has on bass horsemanship. The horses in her barn are very well cared for and you can see it in their coats and condition & in their manners and attitudes. People are just trying to drag her name through the mud. She wouldn’t have a barn full of riders and horses if she treated horses the way the OP states: OP wouldn’t have stayed with her for 4 years and followed her to 3 different barns if that were the case.
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That friend and OP state that EDH should have stayed with him overnight. That is what working students are for. EDH has lessons to teach and horses to ride, she is an ULR trying to run a business; she can’t stay up all night every time a horse colics. She left a Ws in charge that worked at the vet clinic and was told to notify her and owner or vet if anything changed, which she did.[/QUOTE]
EH…WRONG ANSWER.
First of all - a working student is someone LEARNING and should never in a million years be left in charge of a sick and potentially dying horse, no matter how skilled the WS.
As the person in charge of the farm, EDH should have been there.
Second of all - EDH is so busy that a sick horse is not her priority? I’m sorry, this is unacceptable. I work full time. I have 6 horses in my care. Along with a farm to manage by MYSELF. When a horse is sick or injured, I am the one there to take care of them, monitor them etc. 3 am? Doesn’t matter, its MY responsibility. I’m sure she could miss a few hrs sleep or move some lessons around.
It is easy to see what is important to EDH and it isn’t the horses.
Mickey you need to stop while you are already behind because everything you are writing is making things look worse and worse.
I can’t edit but also wanted to add…how often are horses colicing there?
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