Hey new posters - did you even read the thread? Because the reason the horses were not moved sooner have been dissected to an unnecessary degree already and there have been plenty of answers regarding that.
FYI Mickey - many posters have already confirmed that pasture does flood and should not have had horses in it.
READ THE ENTIRE THREAD before commenting.
She travels a lot for work, so keeping them all at her place without someone to care for them while she’s gone is not realistic.
Regarding the hail storm? I am less than 30 minutes from this barn. just slightly north and to the west. We had ample notice this hail storm was coming. You could see people posting photos on social media of it going through Plano. If it was going through Plano, there was a giant chance that it was going to be heading to Rockwall shortly afterwards. At the time, my own barn that is further north brought horses in well in advance when there was a big chance of a hail storm coming through. This is Texas. Hail ain’t no joke here. This storm was bad enough that everyone on my street had to have roofs replaced. Golf ball to soft ball sized. You don’t risk horses being out in it. If you bring them in unnecessarily, so be it. They can survive in their stalls a couple hours. Better than the alternative.
I don’t see a problem with adding info to a post, no matter how old it is?
If its not the truth, who cares what people write? Why does one side get absolute sympathy with no question, then the other side must not be true, even though they profess to have equally good facts?
I still don’t have a clue what happened, even if we are there as you can tell, depending on your POV the story changes.
what is “hay Aries in quality?”
I read that as hay “varies” in quality. Probably an iPhone autocorrect
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what is “hay Aries in quality?”[/QUOTE]
Must have been born in the cusp of March and April lol
Just to clarify - I still own the Poetry property. The house was left in an unliveable state by previous renters. So while it IS horse ready with safe fencing and shelter, there’s no way for someone to take care of animals right now so it wasn’t a viable option until at least a barn apartment (or something) gets built on it.
I don’t think this is wildly relevant, but for clarification purposes.
First of all, big thanks to 3dayr for reviving the thread for me. I was worried it was losing momentum. Next I’m 99% sure I know who you are and I’m a bit surprised that you’d post this knowing that not only is everything I said 100% fact but that I have texts between us about how you want to move your horses, how unhappy you are with Ellen, etc. Remember you messaged owners of that barn about coming back…but for fun, let’s pretend I don’t know any of that.
I’ve already addressed why I stayed so long and accepted responsibility for my mistakes. I feel horrible about not leaving sooner. I don’t feel good speaking for my husband but I will say that he was never an actual employee. He traded hours for lessons/$ off board when Ellen first moved to Rockwall and didn’t yet have any working students. He is a touring drummer and had to leave. He also began a paid job working for a farrier. I know he had an issue with her not wanting to call the vet for a horse he brought in that had cut her face overnight. I don’t know what was said between him and Ellen about not coming back but if she did say that, I understand why. He is late for everything and THE slowest stall cleaner on earth. Still not sure what that has to do with any of the above though. Also seems really irrelevant. Like are you implying that my horse was not given medical care because my husband stopped working at the barn 7 months prior? Sounds dumb, right?
I’m not going to comment on other people’s stories except that I personally think they are true. I’m only going to reply to MY stuff that I can prove.
Final note: I 100% agree with your comment about EDH being driven and hardworking. I’ve never met a more tenacious person. It was what held my admiration for so long. And yes, she never “blows sunshine up your ass”…another thing I respect about her. Unfortunately, she doesn’t really give you the tools to correctly improve. (which strictly my opinion which I am entitled to)
And in response to mickey 2000….
Yes, please go read the testimonials on the site. Ellen frantically emailed everyone asking people for them. Since my original comment, yes, more adults have written…but still mostly newer clients. Look up the names of the commenters who left them, including the other 4star rider, most live in different states and never had a horse at Ellen’s barn. Horse show buddies don’t really get the clear picture with only hanging out with her a few weekends a year.
Pretty sure I’ve proved without a doubt that I am not a liar, quite the contrary actually.
The place in question was NOT purchase “at beginning of 2016”. I didn’t even lay eyes on the property until the end of May or beginning of June. And although it has very nice fencing, having no barn/stalls and having a condemned house requiring removal hardly equals “horse ready” to me. BTW…to build the place and get it ready for me to move in I was quoted, $450k --$525k including the price of the land. Not exactly something I can wave a magic wand and produce.
I’ve already addressed the flooding issue in my previous reply. And it is not “creating drama” when it is all true. How much “drama” would you recreate if those had been your horses?
And “drama llama” is not my nickname. I’ve joked that I had a “drama llama named Bernard” It was an inside joke between me and 3 other adult riders (2 of which have also left Ellen) when we still believed all Ellen’s stories that things said about her were from “haters” and not true. I wish I’d actually believed the tales sooner but I (like you) was in denial. I’m embarrassed to admit that I thought many of the posters in this thread were once crazy/liars.
I have seen the video of the horse three legged, barely toe-touching, and practically non-weight bearing LAME. That is nothing short of MORTIFYING, and if I knew the vet hadn’t been called for my horse who presented that way, I would be well beyond LIVID. That is a “no questions asked, call the vet now” type of situation. Period.
Personally, I would be much more comfortable, and pretty grateful, that if my BO saw that, couldn’t reach me, but still called the vet and had them on the way, and then called me again to inform me of the situation. That horse needed a vet, not a wait and see.
For anyone needing a refresher for the link to my FB post, here ya go:
https://www.facebook.com/stormy.daniels.1/posts/10154269622601483?comment_id=10154339195306483&reply_comment_id=10154339253106483¬if_t=feed_comment¬if_id=1484345092309752
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For anyone needing a refresher for the link to my FB post, here ya go:
https://www.facebook.com/stormy.daniels.1/posts/10154269622601483?comment_id=10154339195306483&reply_comment_id=10154339253106483¬if_t=feed_comment¬if_id=1484345092309752[/QUOTE]
I’ve been reading this thread, and I must admit I’ve lost track to some degree of which incident this horse is. But…
HOLY SH$$T.
I just looked at that video. Yes, that is call the vet in panic mode. Like, yesterday. Are you saying that EDH knew the horse was in this state and didn’t do anything? Are you sure the horse was this bad when she saw it? Because if so, that is abuse 100%.
It made me sick to my stomach. Is that poor thing ok now?
The horse in the video is #4: " I was not informed that my Thoroughbred gelding, Buzz, was non weight-bearing with cellulitis for 2 days, and no vet was called. Ellen chose to diagnose and treat him herself without giving me the option of veterinary care."
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If you are a middle aged woman that makes excuses and blames your horse for your failures and lack of work or a drama queen you probably have already posted on this thread.[\quote]
I find it interesting, 3dayr et al, that the only ones calling names or applying questionable adjectives to describe anyone are those who come to this thread to support their trainer/friend/SIL, EDH. Maybe that’s just me, but it speaks a lot louder than you all might think, and quite possibly not in the way you’d like it to.
Also, for calling Stormy17 a liar, well, now that’s just funny. She has nothing to gain by doing this, and she’s not that type of person. She’s one of those who is tells it like it is- straight with no chaser. But what do I know? I’m probably just a “drama queen”.
Sincerely,
A Middle Aged Woman (lots of life experience be darned)
This is to reply to 3dayr since she referenced my experience with EDH. Yes, she did take property that did not belong to her, that was purchased with money loaned to her. And she took other items as well, particularly those heavy duty metal mats that ran from the barn to the arena. Those were purchased by me when I bought the property. I have the derided copies that Ellen gave to me of the items that she said she bought with the $5,000 I loaned her. Personally I think she just found whatever receipts she could that added up to nearly that amount since one of the receipts listed dog food, another a picnic table. She was supposed to be buying supplies/equipment needed for the barn, etc, not personal items.
And how did Ellen manage to pull off taking everything that wasn’t nailed down at the property since she was out of town at the time - I’m guessing that dirty job fell to her husband and a few of her friends, possibly including you.
Was I upset at the way the facilities were being taken care of - absolutely. The tractor was left in the front pasture and was never fixed despite my asking her husband about it. They were responsible for the maintenance of the equipment. I found out later after talking to the repair shop that they had called that they failed to follow up on getting it fixed. I never saw the barn clean after the first weekend. The wash Bay Area was always littered with stuff, horse pads were thrown in a pile on the floor, cobwebs became so prevalent that by the time they finally left they covered almost every inch of that barn. Every inch of that barn was power washed after we finally got them off the property. Sweeping the barn aisle was minor. The flies were horrible but then she had her manure pile right outside the back of the barn. I could go on.
Your problem is that you still believe Ellen’s side of the story. I did, too, at one time - that’s how I ended up with that barn in the first place. It just didn’t take us as long to figure out that Ellen is not all she says she is. She will say whatever she needs to say to get what she wants. If I ever had my doubts about that it became crystal clear when I watched her lie in court about a document - she wrote in a date on the document to favor her story.
I could go on but I will stop for now.
Banamine is NOT a controlled substance. It is supposed to be available only by vets, but it is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory and not controlled.
I have a question about that Dr. Beckett. It sounds like the working student gave the Banamine IV, because, as we all know, you do not give it IM. Correct?
So, can just anyone give medicines IV? Isn’t there a danger of hitting a carotid artery, unless you have been trained to do it? Just curious.
You an also give Banamine orally. It takes longer to work, but it is a safe wY to go if you are not comfortable giving IV
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I have a question about that Dr. Beckett. It sounds like the working student gave the Banamine IV, because, as we all know, you do not give it IM. Correct?
So, can just anyone give medicines IV? Isn’t there a danger of hitting a carotid artery, unless you have been trained to do it? Just curious.[/QUOTE]
Giving medications IV isn’t terribly difficult, but there are associated risks, including as you said accidentally administering the medication into the carotid. Also, the possibility of extravasation, and adverse reactions to the medication itself.
It is apparently commonplace, however, for certain “trainers” and their employees to give meds IV and then charge the owners. It’s also illegal (it’s considered practicing veterinary medicine without a license) and potentially dangerous (remember Humble?).
I will give certain IV meds to my own horses (such as banamine in the case of colic while waiting for the vet to arrive), but not anyone else’s.
To clarify, I meant Banamine is a controlled substance as in you cannot buy it OTC like say…ulcer meds. The 3 vets I spoke to said that it is available only by prescription and should never be given without owner consent (duh) and vet recommendation because it could mask pain/what is really going on, especially in a horse without history of colic or use of the drug (like Fella). It should also only be “given orally if not by vet”. I will say EDH absolutely knows how to give an IV shot though and would never give Banamine IM. I cannot comment on any other of her employees or working students. Someone can also not charge for administering drugs or make a profit from the prescription without a vet license. That is how it was explained to me by the equine hospital yesterday and where it crosses into illegal. The actual cost of a shot of Banamine including syringe and needle is less that $10.
Once again, I didn’t even know any of this. I gave consent for my other horse to receive Banamine on previous occasion. My real issue here is that I WAS NOT notified nor did I give consent. I don’t want to take away from the real problem I have which was that a drug (could be ANY medication) was given to my horse without my knowledge/consent and that I was not told for an entire day that he was colicky and EDH refused to get him emergency vet care.
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