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Right click and open the “Reply with quote” in a new link or tab. (Or Ctrl-Click, Cmd-Click if you’re on a Mac.) Annoying, but it’s the only way around it right now. :sigh:[/QUOTE]
This does not work for everyone.
Another way to quote is to do it manually.
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That without the spaces will get you this:
It appears the 8 year old who was left in charge of the barn (assuming it’s the same girl) left a testimonial. I can smell desperation all the way in WI…
From what I’ve heard about the trainer in question, she isn’t someone that I would ride with, or trust with my horse’s care.
That said, I’m not sure why y’all are so shocked that she continues to get business. Every competition I go to, from local schooling shows to USEA events, there are both trainers who are competent, knowledgeable professionals, and those who I wouldn’t allow near my horse with a 10’ pole. And those in both categories typically have a full complement of students.
I think this echos my earlier statements- people trust real people more than online anonymous people on a known-drama location. It’s "Their reality*- who know why…same as why on earth some people stay with crappy men who cheat- it can be complicated.
Once you know better, you do better. Knowing usually is from falling down and getting back up for yourself.
OT would be empty if people used the advice of people who used to be there and learned.
And yes, some trainers I can’t stand work find for some. (Not talking about this case, specifically).
Just ride you horse and do the best you can in your sphere. The word is out, people who want to take the advice will take it. They don’t have to take it.
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Several testimonials are from current working students.
I also find it interesting that in her bio, there is no mention of important coaches or mentors from her past who have helped her get to this point. Cue bio update…[/QUOTE]
I was listening to one of Kyle and Bucks podcasts and they talked about how successful she was until she started getting help from another trainer, I believe this was the one talking about Rebecca Farms. It was interesting to hear because it is usually the opposite.
It’s so easy to fall down that rabbit hole. You buy a new horse from someone who’s raised him from a pup (er, foal) and work with the seller a bit because you’re not 100% sure the new horse is ready for your most recent trainer, and suddenly, you find yourself channeling Linda Pepperoni.
And then you wake up and rethink things.
I would like to address a few items by number that I have personal knowledge of and ask a few questions about some others, even though I have read the 20 pages of this thread and know I will be attacked just like anyone else that said anything in support of EDH on this.
I do wonder why someone who thought they were getting ripped off so terribly followed EDH to three separate barns ? Why would her husband work for EDH ? At least until he decided not to show up for work and was told not to come back at all then. Why would someone who owned several horses she felt were being abused keep. Using more horses and taking them to the same barn ?
I think Stormy has had some awful luck. I feel terrible when anyone lose or has an animal injured and understand that it is human nature to try and find someone to blame. She just lost two more horses in a freak accident and it is awful, but she is being unfair in blaming her misfortune on EDH. Some people are better at handling misfortune than others and some people can’t control their tempers until they have had time to reflect on circumstances. I Hope that Stormy has only good luck in the future, but that just isn’t predictable for anyone.
I would so like to say that most of the posters on here I know, have worked around, worked with, or socialized with at one point or another. I am embarrassed by the strong resemblance they have to nasty junior high girls in this thread. The worst of them I will call liars, EDH has never stolen anything from them and I find in interesting that she was accused of taking property when she was in California for 9 days( that must have been a real magic trick). EDH biggest fault is being naive enough to trust two women that had more money than she did to spend on legal help. Micromanaging " silent partners " that complain a barn is " filthy" because the barn aisle hasn’t been swept yet on a 100 degree day ? Please. And boarders who left owing money without proper 30 day notice ? Ex employees fired for poor work, drug habits, non-attendance? Barn owners angry because clients left wth EDH and left empty stalls ? Same barn owners that were given the professional courtesy of more than 30 days notice by EDH that she was leaving to allow a search for new barn personal that told EDH she could no longer use covered arena for scheduled classes and lessons, locked up jumps so she couldn’t school or give lessons. Had owners drunken verbally abusive boyfriend physically threaten EDH and then kept her from coming to care for her own horses that she paid full board for ? Adult amateur riders she let help at the barn so they could ride lesson horses more when they couldn’t afford it, end up being a no show at vital time because the weather was bad ? And now complain about her after leaving owing money ? And get hurt on a horse she said was too much for them and get mad at EDH ? Ha !
EDH is one of the most driven, hardest working people I have ever met. She does not blow sunshine up your ass, if you. Red that kind of trainer/instructor go somewhere else. She expects her students to want to improve and to work to improve. If you are a middle aged woman that makes excuses and blames your horse for your failures and lack of work or a drama queen you probably have already posted on this thread.
If you are a person that can take honest criticism, realize nobody is perfect, and understand bad stuff happens and sometimes it isn’t anyone’s fault you are probably a mature reasonable adult that will get along fine with us at the barn.
Let the attack of the junior high girls begin.
Typed the above on my phone, autocorrect has struck and I can’t get edit to work. I will try again later.
[QUOTE=3dayr;9008009]
I would like to address a few items by number that I have personal knowledge of and ask a few questions about some others, even though I have read the 20 pages of this thread and know I will be attacked just like anyone else that said anything in support of EDH on this.
I do wonder why someone who thought they were getting ripped off so terribly followed EDH to three separate barns ? Why would her husband work for EDH ? At least until he decided not to show up for work and was told not to come back at all then. Why would someone who owned several horses she felt were being abused keep. Using more horses and taking them to the same barn ?
I think Stormy has had some awful luck. I feel terrible when anyone lose or has an animal injured and understand that it is human nature to try and find someone to blame. She just lost two more horses in a freak accident and it is awful, but she is being unfair in blaming her misfortune on EDH. Some people are better at handling misfortune than others and some people can’t control their tempers until they have had time to reflect on circumstances. I Hope that Stormy has only good luck in the future, but that just isn’t predictable for anyone.
I would so like to say that most of the posters on here I know, have worked around, worked with, or socialized with at one point or another. I am embarrassed by the strong resemblance they have to nasty junior high girls in this thread. The worst of them I will call liars, EDH has never stolen anything from them and I find in interesting that she was accused of taking property when she was in California for 9 days( that must have been a real magic trick). EDH biggest fault is being naive enough to trust two women that had more money than she did to spend on legal help. Micromanaging " silent partners " that complain a barn is " filthy" because the barn aisle hasn’t been swept yet on a 100 degree day ? Please. And boarders who left owing money without proper 30 day notice ? Ex employees fired for poor work, drug habits, non-attendance? Barn owners angry because clients left wth EDH and left empty stalls ? Same barn owners that were given the professional courtesy of more than 30 days notice by EDH that she was leaving to allow a search for new barn personal that told EDH she could no longer use covered arena for scheduled classes and lessons, locked up jumps so she couldn’t school or give lessons. Had owners drunken verbally abusive boyfriend physically threaten EDH and then kept her from coming to care for her own horses that she paid full board for ? Adult amateur riders she let help at the barn so they could ride lesson horses more when they couldn’t afford it, end up being a no show at vital time because the weather was bad ? And now complain about her after leaving owing money ? And get hurt on a horse she said was too much for them and get mad at EDH ? Ha !
EDH is one of the most driven, hardest working people I have ever met. She does not blow sunshine up your ass, if you. Red that kind of trainer/instructor go somewhere else. She expects her students to want to improve and to work to improve. If you are a middle aged woman that makes excuses and blames your horse for your failures and lack of work or a drama queen you probably have already posted on this thread.
If you are a person that can take honest criticism, realize nobody is perfect, and understand bad stuff happens and sometimes it isn’t anyone’s fault you are probably a mature reasonable adult that will get along fine with us at the barn.
Let the attack of the junior high girls begin.[/QUOTE]
3dayr, why exactly did you think it was a good idea to bump a thread that had not been touched in three days that does more harm than good to the person you are professing love for?
This would be more convincing if it had an actual name attached to it.
Signed, a middle aged woman (oh, the horror).
Where are the people here to defend or excuse her public behavior?
Everyone gets to speak if they want here, even if you don’t like what they have to say. This is a discussion forum.
No one needs to put their name to anything either or feel coerced into that.
I don’t think this new post “harms” EDH in any way, it just gives another side.
If that side has merit, what is true? I have no way of knowing.
I thought there were many interesting revelations, this is why I like hearing all sides. Again, more general comments from me on how this forum operates I have no concern for “who is right”. this is a he said/she said issue.
I was personally there towards the end of the Fella colic incident. I’m the one who rushed him to the emergency hospital. I actually had to ride in the trailer with him because even loaded up on Banamine, he wouldn’t stay standing for more than 30 seconds. If she has such compassion, can you please explain why Ellen wasn’t at the barn to oversee his care?
As for the storm photos. Please look at this for yourself and tell me again this was 50 miles away…
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc494/flaxenfilly23/IMG_3800.jpg
There’s that, and though it seems to be a fairly detailed rebuttal, unlike Stormy’s multiple times stating she had verifiable proof, this supporter only asks folks to “trust” her. Then add the volume of corroborating statements and separate verifiable statements, and we not only open a wound, but do so in a way that does little to heal.
3dayr, perhaps you meant well, and I could understand if I had a friend that was put through the wringer, at one level I’d be upset, but if in my desire for truth discovered that my friend had really been involved in such actions, I’d either begin to rethink the friendship or figure a way to forgive, yet advise that friend to start changing their lives.
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Everyone gets to speak if they want here, even if you don’t like what they have to say. This is a discussion forum.[/QUOTE]
I should have written a longer paragraph I guess. I in no way have an issue with anyone (speaking?) posting their thoughts, agree with me or not.
I was trying to point out to 3dayr that sometimes it is best to do that old thing - let sleeping dogs lie (lay?, whatever the right word is).
This thread was not on the first page, heck, not even on the second page. It had not been posted to in days. By posting in it 3dayr brought it back up front, where more people will read it and those who had read it will be reminded of it.
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Those testimonials only appeared on her site after this thread blew up. 80% of them are from CHILDREN and her friends who have never actually had a horse in her care (as in live in different states) the rest (except 1) are all new clients that have had their children in lessons for a few months and truly don’t know any better. It is pure desperation in an attempt to salvage her business.[/QUOTE]
Another lie, which is most of what comes out of the OPs mouth. If you go read the testimonials, you’ll see that 80% of them are from adults, and a varying degree of them, from fellow ULR, to clients of 4+ Years, to middle aged Adult boarders. EDH is well loved by the people who know her.
Another interesting fact, for those asking “why didn’t the OP move her horses sooner”… she bought her own 10 acre farm a few miles away in the beginning of 2016, since she had so many horses, she told everyone a mortgage was cheaper than board. So, she DOES have somewhere to move all of them. She was waiting to build an arena etc, but the place she bought (Irish Willows old place), is horse ready. Why didn’t she move the horses sooner?? Because all of her allegations did not happen as she said they did. Drama llama. That’s her nickname. She loves to create drama.
I haven’t seen a shred of proof from her side, I have though, seen text messages, etc, refuting many of her statements, proving them to be a lie. I know there is proof disproving many of her allegations.
Stormy, you can also look up a map of Rockwall and see that the lower pasture your horses were in, isn’t even listed as a floodplain. I’m truly sorry for your losses, but stop blaming others.
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Another lie, which is most of what comes out of the OPs mouth. If you go read the testimonials, you’ll see that 80% of them are from adults, and a varying degree of them, from fellow ULR, to clients of 4+ Years, to middle aged Adult boarders. EDH is well loved by the people who know her.
Another interesting fact, for those asking “why didn’t the OP move her horses sooner”… she bought her own 10 acre farm a few miles away in the beginning of 2016, since she had so many horses, she told everyone a mortgage was cheaper than board. So, she DOES have somewhere to move all of them. She was waiting to build an arena etc, but the place she bought (Irish Willows old place), is horse ready. Why didn’t she move the horses sooner?? Because all of her allegations did not happen as she said they did. Drama llama. That’s her nickname. She loves to create drama.
I haven’t seen a shred of proof from her side, I have though, seen text messages, etc, refuting many of her statements, proving them to be a lie. I know there is proof disproving many of her allegations.
Stormy, you can also look up a map of Rockwall and see that the lower pasture your horses were in, isn’t even listed as a floodplain. I’m truly sorry for your losses, but stop blaming others.[/QUOTE]
Tell us more about the text messages that prove things to be a lie.
Also, welcome to the forum. It is amazing how many new posters there are in this thread.
[QUOTE=mickey2000;9008247]
Another interesting fact, for those asking “why didn’t the OP move her horses sooner”… she bought her own 10 acre farm a few miles away in the beginning of 2016, since she had so many horses, she told everyone a mortgage was cheaper than board. So, she DOES have somewhere to move all of them. She was waiting to build an arena etc, but the place she bought (Irish Willows old place), is horse ready.[/QUOTE]
I can’t comment to the rest of these posts, but as someone who owns 15 acres that is “horse ready,” I still choose to board my 3 horses. Why? Because I also have a full time job, the commute is easy-ish from where I currently live, and I don’t have the time to feed, water, and otherwise provide the care that horses need. Unfortunately, w/o a job, I couldn’t afford to have horses so I have to prioritize it. If I had to move them on short notice, my property would not realistically be a consideration.
So I think that it is extremely misleading to suggest that just because someone owns a horse property, they can just stick horses on it w/o a good deal of planning.
Thank you guys for saving the newcomers’ posts! I have a feeling when they don’t get what they want they’ll try to backtrack, edit, or delete. Now we can see exactly what they said the first time.
I wish I could stop myself from posting, but I don’t have enough coffee in me yet to summon the willpower that takes. 
I read threads like these, with posters that give a lot of reasons why horses in certain barns are have weight problems or other “sickly” behavior (as in lots of horses choking, minor colics…). It drives me nuts. I worked for a trainer/bo that would remark on horses coming in that the owners would say the previous trainer couldn’t keep weight on so we shouldn’t worry about it, this is the way that horse is. Of course my trainer would prove that to be utter bs. A horse in a well run barn, with plenty of good quality food, turn out with other horses, and properly ridden will thrive in their work.
When you feed consisting well, provide plenty of exercise, and pay attention to the subtle signs when they are not quite right you will have a happy horse. There are always a few incidents and accidents along the way, but a barn full of horses with ribs is not a well run barn.
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