I’m honestly more shocked by who I’m seeing commenting in gushing support for her.
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In 2023 Stormy brought a lawsuit against another trainer in that area over the stable lien/purchase of one of her horses. The scarce reporting cites claims of a “scheme” and “fears” of the new owner doing something to the horse after the barn owner approached her with an agreement to lease the horse to clients in order to cover the board and farrier. The trigger for the stable lien was Stormy’s declaration to move the horse to FL. Stormy claims she never got a final bill.
The counter claim was that Stormy was 10k past due in board and other bills. The arrangement was for $350/month in board (current price is $600) and farrier that she wasn’t consistently paying and wasn’t supposed to absolve past due bills. They also state that she was issued notice of the final bill and lien and that the horse could be foreclosed on if the bill wasn’t paid in 60 days. At the time of the lawsuit, she still had unpaid invoices from 2020.
That lawsuit was dismissed.
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Agister’s liens for unpaid board are part of local code in most areas. It sounds like she got behind and board, and they came up with a plan to compensate for that, and she didn’t like the plan.
She seems to have bad luck with attorneys. There are multiple lost lawsuits now.
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Its either bad luck with attorneys or unsubstantiated lawsuits/claims. I hate to say it but I’m starting to wonder.
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Well… the one guy stole from her and is in jail for it now. What a slime ball character he was!
Also if the claims are unable to be substantiated and she’s likely to lose in court, her current attorneys should have told her this. And advised her not to pursue it. The agister’s lien suit in particular sounds like she should have been advised not to pursue that.
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Maybe. I just wonder what kind of life one leads when they’re constantly in some sort of knock down, drag out lawsuit.
Just my ponderings.
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To be fair….the FB post being litigated alleged quite a bit of serious criminal behavior.
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I doubt it as well but that doesn’t change that’s it’s owed. So only $600000 then right now? And this recent one is the only other?
For sure, just look at the current president of the United States.
“what kind of life” indeed.
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I didn’t look, I’m scared to!
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The danger of private lawsuits is that a judge might decide anything. There is no controlling that. No outcome is assured, regardless of how litigants and bystanders perceive the rights & wrongs of the case.
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Many years ago when I moved from corporate land to start-up land, where we had a lot of latitude to run with a lot of things, our General Counsel sat all the new hires down and said basically this:
“If anything seems like it might be even remotely legally or ethically a gray area, you come talk to me. Because the very last thing you want to do is end up in front a jury of 12 people who either had nothing better to do, or were not smart enough to get out of sitting jury for a full trial. And just the same, you also don’t want to end up in front of whatever random judge is assigned to your case, because they are all wild cards.”
That cautionary tale has stayed with me for over 20 years.
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Amen to this above. ^^^
I can’t get over the “we’ll sue !!!” people who know nothing about the legalities of whatever problem they are having. They just want a degree of control that they don’t have. And they have some idea of what the rules should be (all in their favor, of course) and believe that whatever they think the judge should decide, of course the judge will decide just that way. Fortunately for them, most are put off by the up-front cost of sueing.
That is a general comment, btw, no reflection either way on Stormy Daniels. She has abundant experience with the lawsuit legal system, from both sides. Far more than has hit the public commentary airwaves.
I also can’t get over the senior business types who believe that they can skirt the legal boundaries and then later talk their way out of an SEC investigation. I used to tell them, by the time you get the very first SEC lawyer phone call to meet for an interview or deposition, it is already too late. Take it from someone with friends who used to work for Enron and WorldCom.
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I think in this case it’s important to note Ellen sued Erin and Stormy, not the other way around.
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We have neighbors who are very difficult. Our driveway is an easement through their property. Everything we have done regarding the easement has been perfectly legal. That has not stopped them from hiring three different lawyers to threaten us with law suits. My response was fine, take us to court. Nothing ever happens. You can always find a lawyer to take a case (and your money). Some people love to always be in a fight with someone. Given the number of suits she has initiated, she sounds like one of them.
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Thanks for clarifying that. Somewhere I missed that this was an Ellen lawsuit.
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That’s the concerning part- she successfully sued someone (not Daniels the other defendant so her history of lawsuits is immaterial) over a response they made to USEA soliciting experiences due to a complaint they received. The other defendant didn’t even make the original complaint as far as I can tell, just responded to a request for information from the sports governing body. I’m not an attorney but I always thought there was some kind of limit on damages or binding arbitration tied to those processes.
No-one will ever make a complaint again unless there are protections that you agree to as a member. If anyone wanders into one of these unadvertised USEF townhalls this year? please ask this question.
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Yup. Hugely concerning. The way I read it is Stormy made the original public complaint and then Erin sent an email to USEA ICP which resulted in Ellen (temporarily) loosing ICP certification. I don’t know, and any poster who wasn’t at the trial likely doesn’t know either, but it appears someone at USEA leaked the email to Ellen thus allowing Ellen to name Erin in the lawsuit.
Unless there is more info that comes out, to me that is the most egregious part of the whole thing
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IIRC, Erin did not send the email to USEA unsolicited; USEA asked for feedback about Ellen. That’s a crucial bit of info.
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Even shadier. Would love to see that email.
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