I’m currently looking at a young mare who has NAS papers. Is this a valid registry? I don’t know anything about them. If she is approved NAS, can she be automatically be approved in other warmblood registries?
No it is not a valid registry. No, no other registries accept their papers. You would have to start completely over with any other registry.
It was started by the owners of Jump Start Farm for reasons unknown!!!
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No it is not a valid registry. No, no other registries accept their papers. You would have to start completely over with any other registry.
It was started by the owners of Jump Start Farm for reasons unknown!!![/QUOTE]
I think the reasons are pretty obvious. They didn’t want to have to meet the stallion licensing/performance requirements of the Euro-type WB registries, but they wanted their stallions to be able to sire registered offspring. The easy solution was to start their own registry so they could set the licensing/approval requirements the way they wanted them. Now all their stallions are “approved”.
They are also instrumental in the SCF/NAS Young Horse Show Series running in Wellington and elsewhere - a nice concept except that it is my understanding a certain amount of every entry fee for those classes goes directly to NAS. So anyone showing in that series is monetarily supporting NAS, whether they want to or not.
Dear “It’s A Numbers Game”,
it is always best to get information from the source rather than try to speculate from incorrect statements (Downyounder and MaggieF). We invite you all to visit our website and familiarize yourself with the NAS rules and regulations. You will find answers to your questions and we stay available via email or phone if you need any further information.
For the record:
- NAS registration papers are as valid as any papers in the US. We are in the process of becoming a WBFSH associate member (just like all new registries have to do). The politics of North American chapters of WBFSH registries will differ and change over the time as far as their acceptance or recognition of the NAS which is totally understandable and just like any new registries have to go through (Zangersheide or La Silla did not get full recognition right away for example).
We believe that we will eventually prevail into building a strong and quality oriented alternative and US based registry for American breeders of sporthorses. Some registries already approve off and recognize our papers fully. As far as competition goes, NAS registered horses are fully eligible and have already competed and shined in USEF, USDF, IJF, IHF and YHS rated shows. Thank you to their owners!! - The Young Horse Show was created by the NAS and in cooperation with Spy Coast Farm. We sponsor, promote, run, organize, and produce most of the shows which generate a lot more costs than income at this point. We believe that this show series is one of the major keys for ALL US breeders to become financially self-sufficient by creating a market place and produce world class offspring that will compete against the best in the world in the very near future. We want to take this opportunity to thank all the existing sponsors with their generous support and belief in the YHS.
Once again we invite you all to discuss any questions you might have. You can call us, email us or visit our face book page: http://www.facebook.com/YoungHorseShow?sk=info
A new Young Horse Show independent website will be up and running shortly.
We thank you all and welcome any further questions or constructive comments you might have.
Can you please list which Registries currently accept NAS papers?
I’m always interested in what attempts are being made to have a north american registry for all warmblood types bred here. I’d also be interested in knowing how many horses are registered with NAS at the moment.
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If she is approved NAS, can she be automatically be approved in other warmblood registries?[/QUOTE]
Typically, for any mare to be approved for breeding in a registry other than her own she must be inspected. There is no “automatic” approval that I know of in any registry.
NAS Info -
So a percentage of entry fees from the SCF/NAS Young Horse Show Series does NOT go to NAS? If not, then my apologies. My info came via someone who has been heavily involved with the YH shows.
We have to start somewhere 
Nothing wrong with America trying to break away from Europe and their standards… As long as ours are as stringent.
Anyone have the qualifications? Are the inspections the same?
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We are in the process of becoming a WBFSH associate member (just like all new registries have to do).[/QUOTE]
What is the timeline for this? Meaning, when does the NAS expect to have WBFSH status?
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NAS Info -
So a percentage of entry fees from the SCF/NAS Young Horse Show Series does NOT go to NAS? If not, then my apologies. My info came via someone who has been heavily involved with the YH shows.[/QUOTE]
On the entry blanks for SCF YHS there is a $15 charge that goes to NAS for each horse. On top of that you are required to get a stall (even if you live close enough to ship in) at a cost of $85 (bare stall) and a $50 WEF office fee. Then you have the USEF and ambulance fees. The in-hand and jump chute classes are $65 each because you have to use their handlers. So if you do two classes your fees are at $290. That does not include your own shipping in charges, shavings, grooms, or whatever other help you need and meals and lodging if you are not local. That brings it to at least $350 if not more like $450. If you win 1st place you get $400, $200 for second and $100 for third. That’s it for prize money. This show was touted as an inexpensive way to show a young horse…hmmmm.
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We have to start somewhere
Nothing wrong with America trying to break away from Europe and their standards… As long as ours are as stringent.
Anyone have the qualifications? Are the inspections the same?[/QUOTE]
NOMIOMI1 - yea of the ever capitalized name - you have been posting a lot lately - are you breeding? I see you are a wonderful young age by your profile. Just wondering - do you have a website ?
NAS is fairly ridiculous at this point in time but I am stunned that fees are being paid to them. But please, let this NOT go down the "we need our own NA registry " route which has been covered all SO many times…:no:
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On the entry blanks for SCF YHS there is a $15 charge that goes to NAS for each horse.[/QUOTE]
Well, that certainly answers THAT question, doesn’t it? :lol:
So every competitor in the SCF young horse show series is monetarily supporting NAS. That helps explain why some of the other registries are loathe to recommend or promote the YH series.
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Well, that certainly answers THAT question, doesn’t it? :lol:
So every competitor in the SCF young horse show series is monetarily supporting NAS. That helps explain why some of the other registries are loathe to recommend or promote the YH series.[/QUOTE]
I am loathe to enter this discussion. However, there is serious misinformation being put forward as well as misinterpretations of information.
As co-host of the Ocala YHSs, I believe that I can clarify at least a few misconceptions.
A $10 fee appears on the Wellington entry blanks as a NAS office fee. I believe that this is poorly labelled and will request the YHS to more correctly label it as a YHS fee for our Ocala shows and flag it to their attention for the other shows. This should more accurately be labelled “YHS office fee”. This fee goes to the individuals who prepare the prize list, process the entries and compile the order of go. It also goes to pay for the upcoming new Website for the YHS and maintenance of the YHS FB page It is cheap at the price!
We ourselves (Sakura Hill Farm, LLC) have no affiliation with the NAS and ascertained before becoming co-hosts that YHS and NAS were organizationally separate. In terms of individuals, we all wear many hats in the contemporary world and this is no less the case in the equine industry. The head of NAS is also the agent in the US for the Selle francais as well as a prime mover in the YHS---- I have not heard that the French are complaining about conflict of interest. The registries that we ourselves as a farm are involved with have indeed supported the YHS publicly on their FB pages and given their support to us privately in our endeavor.
We are not posting to defend or to criticize NAS as we truly are not involved with it. However,tangentially to try to tar with the same brush a grass-roots endeavor to provide opportunities for our young horses to get out and about and compete is inappropriate.
We recognize the financial requirements of showing at WEF and appreciate the hardships this presents to local breeders and young horse owners. It has always been our thought that by starting off a program like the YHS’s at a high visibility showplace like WEF, young horse breeders and owners would get great exposure and that as a result, more would be likely to buy into this fledgling program. The folks at WEF have been incredibly helpful and realize that they are supporting a emerging market. They have committed to 5 years of shows in order to do so. They would hope to see a profit after 3 years or so.
WEF, NAS and SCF are committed to safety first and foremost and therefor will continue to require on site stalling and the use of the professional handlers provided. There is no profit built in to these requirements. Most of our exhibitors have praised us for these measures because they keep the schedule flowing more smoothly and the playing field level. There has been virtually no talk of politics or favoritism and that must continue to be the case.
After speaking to the folks at WEF about the demanding costs of showing a young horse at WEF, they have managed to procure another sponsor to increase the prize money back to last years level. There will now be Ten thousand dollars of prize money offered at each of the two shows at WEF this year.
We strive to be responsive to your concerns and sincerely want to thank all of you who have been supportive of the YHS program. The 2011 final FAR exceeded our expectations and that was ALL due to exhibitor’s hard work, commitment and participation. We hope to see you on Feb 7th and 28th!
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NOMIOMI1 - yea of the ever capitalized name - you have been posting a lot lately - are you breeding? I see you are a wonderful young age by your profile. Just wondering - do you have a website ?
NAS is fairly ridiculous at this point in time but I am stunned that fees are being paid to them. But please, let this NOT go down the "we need our own NA registry " route which has been covered all SO many times…:no:[/QUOTE]
My family does 
I actually do dressage now while they are mostly hunter/jumper, and the others are AHQA so… A variety we all are :lol:
NAS may be ridiculous but I encourage any type of system that’s being built here in an attempt to create our own registries… Or at least make them stronger.
A $10 fee appears on the Wellington entry blanks as a NAS office fee. I believe that this is poorly labelled and will request the YHS to more correctly label it as a YHS fee for our Ocala shows and flag it to their attention for the other shows. This should more accurately be labelled “YHS office fee”. This fee goes to the individuals who prepare the prize list, process the entries and compile the order of go. It also goes to pay for the upcoming new Website for the YHS and maintenance of the YHS FB page It is cheap at the price!
Well, if this is in fact the case, and no funds are being channeled into the NAS coffers, then I once again apologize.
I actually love the concept of the YHS and am happy about anything that helps promote young stock of North American breeders. I would love to see the YHS concept succeed. I was just more than a little disappointed to hear through several sources well connected with these shows that some funds WERE in fact being allocated to NAS. It would be helpful if NAS itself would issue a formal statement regarding this issue.
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A $10 fee appears on the Wellington entry blanks as a NAS office fee. I believe that this is poorly labeled and will request the YHS to more correctly label it as a YHS fee for our Ocala shows and flag it to their attention for the other shows. This should more accurately be labelled “YHS office fee”. This fee goes to the individuals who prepare the prize list, process the entries and compile the order of go. It also goes to pay for the upcoming new Website for the YHS and maintenance of the YHS FB page It is cheap at the price!
We ourselves (Sakura Hill Farm, LLC) have no affiliation with the NAS and ascertained before becoming co-hosts that YHS and NAS were organizationally separate. In terms of individuals, we all wear many hats in the contemporary world and this is no less the case in the equine industry. The head of NAS is also the agent in the US for the Selle francais as well as a prime mover in the YHS---- I have not heard that the French are complaining about conflict of interest. The registries that we ourselves as a farm are involved with have indeed supported the YHS publicly on their FB pages and given their support to us privately in our endeavor.[/QUOTE]
So if the NAS fee goes to doing the entries what is the $50 WEF office fee for??? The person doing entries and the order of go works for WEF. The prize list was done ages ago and hasn’t really changed.
Are you talking about the website and FB page YOU are going to do for them?
Please take this as constructive criticism which is how it is meant. Rather than a website and FB page, I’d prefer that some of the things that were promised and/or suggested were done. Or really serious problems were fixed.
Like:
(1) Setting up a “Meet & Greet” for prospective buyers and owners. Not one person interested in buying horses was able to find any owners at the horse show. No one knew where anyone was stabled and very little info was announced when each horse went in the ring.
(2) Congratulatory ads for the winners, like IHF does. What is the point of doing this if no one sees the results or benefits from some advertising??? Most people still don’t even know what this show is.
(3) Advertising before the events. Not a very big turnout for the Final, or any of the shows for that matter.
(4) Consistency in handling. Some of the horses were lead up to the first jump of the chute and others were allowed to bolt through it. REALLY not good, dangerous and not fair. Jean-Yves says we must use their handlers for safety reasons. Not so much. Some of the handlers were good, some were just ok, but I don’t think they were safer than letting owners, who know their own horses well, present them. Or at least have the option to do so. This was a huge problem from the first show on, and while it definitely got better they have a long way to go.
(5) Consistency in the jump chute set-up. At every show the jump chute was set straight. Start at one end and stop at the other. Then the horses are caught and walked to the start again while the fences are raised. While we did have some issues with the chute not being set the proper distances, at least it was the same. Now we get to the final and it is in the big WEF International ring, under the lights and the jump chute is set up in a ring so the horses can just keep galloping around. Only it didn’t work because they had to raise the jumps. So they tried to stop the horses with whips which caused several of the horses to jump it backwards and most to jump too fast. It was also very scary. Definitely NOT the good learning experience that this show was touted to be.
(6) No warm-up area for the final at night. During the day shows they set up round pens to warm your horses up in. We all assumed they would set them up in the warm-up area by the International ring. Instead they used the round pen panels to set up little holding pens or something. No one was quite sure what they were supposed to be and no one used them. So since it was night time we had nowhere to go so we had to bring our horses in cold. I asked for some warm up time but was ignored and the horses were put right through the jump chute as soon as they got in the ring.
(7) A schedule put out way ahead of time and stuck to. I was told a class was going to start at 3 pm (by Jean-Yves) and then heard over the loud speaker at 2 pm that they were looking for my horse. He was being braided.
(8) No one seemed to know how many horses were in each division. One man came the day before the show started to have his yearling ready to show. Then he was told his was the only yearling and so he would go directly to the final. He was annoyed because he sat around for two days doing nothing, but figured it was worth it because his horse would be the winner. Then when it comes time for the class it turns out there were six yearlings. His yearling didn’t come close to winning. I saw him on the way out and he was raging mad.
(9) Stallion Show Bust!!! I was asked to bring my stallion Balt’Amour for the “Stallion Show”, so to be nice and supportive I did. Then I find out that I am expected to PAY for this. $100!!! When he is presented the announcer is yelling through the walkie-talkie to everyone, “Who is this stallion, what do I say?” I get on the the mic and tell him what to say. Ignored again. Instead Jean-Yves quickly pulls up my web site and has him say some very un-important stuff that I have up there just talking about his personality. Nothing about what he has done or even that his son just won the 2 year old jump chute class moments before!!!
I am so disappointed. I tried to be really supportive of this endeavor. I brought more horses than any other owner (8) and actually won a lot. But who cares. It did not benefit our farm or breeding program in any way.
So the head of NAS is also an agent for Selle Francaise??? That’s a conflict of interest, not NAS and YHS. Just another money making scheme I guess. But I think the NAS affiliation with the YHS has keep most registry support away. Just my opinion as I sure didn’t see anyone but BWP there. BWP is such a strong registry that I don’t think they are worried about NAS!!!
Maggie
I am not affiliated with NAS, just to clarify that I am a mere bystander. I am always surprised to hear legions of NA breeders bemoan the lack of a unified voice in the US, and the dependence on foreign registries, yet when an upstart with a reasonable set of goals pops up, everyone then turns their noses up and says what a joke, etc. The Continental Studbook and the NAS both cropped up at about the same time, and while I personally prefer the ideals behind the CS, both have set about to develop a true NA based registry with proper standards. The fact that nobody seems to want to support these upstarts speaks more about the breeders than the registries IMHO.
As far as the YHS series, I would say that the NAS and SCF are bankrolling the shows, not the shows bankrolling the NAS. The shows are well run and professional, and at least the one I attended, not yet largely entered. As such, I am very confident that with the considerable cost involved, including the prize money given back, they are running at a hearty loss regardless of where your $10 fee goes, or how expensive it is to show in one.
I do think there should be an effort to control costs better, but hosting it at WEF is not really a cost-conscious way of doing things. I understand the rationale, but obviously it is a double edged sword. At the show I attended I took 3 horses, and they won enough prize money that it probably only worked out to about $100 per horse in the end.
At first I was annoyed that I had to use the professional handlers, but I do think it makes sense having attended one. It is in the interest of safety and fairness. I would have preferred to be in there for the jump chute, as some of the horses, one of mine included, did not get the proper support going through IMO. I’m not sure if I’ll attend again or not this year, but it is a great idea, and one that should be supported I think.
Carry on.
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Are you talking about the website and FB page YOU are going to do for them?
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Maggie[/QUOTE]
My dear Maggie, I am truly flattered that you credit me with building a functional and attractive Website and Face Book page. I can assure you that doing so far exceeds my personal talents and capabilities!
That work was done by The Equine Media Project, a service entity that builds and maintains Websites and FaceBook pages for the equine industry as well as other businesses. It also does photograpical work at horse shows, inspections, on-farm shoots, etc. Designed by my daughter, Monica, The Equine Media Project has been contracted,inter alia, by quite a few posters on COTH, including YHS. If you PM Monica, who posts as MCarverS, I am sure that she would be pleased to provide a portfolio of the work accomplished in the Website and FaceBook area since its inception as well as a pricelist should you wish to become her client.
May I suggest that you attend the Ocala YHSs where we do our utmost to establish an atmosphere of relaxation and camaraderie among breeders, horses, trainers and potential buyers?
I had said that I was loathe to post in this thread and will confine myself strictly the Ocala YHSs. I did feel compelled to address the issue of the Website and FaceBook page and correct serious misapprehensions in that regard involving Sakura Hill Farm LLC.
Thank you, Buschkn- you are the voice of reason and serenity!
