NAS North American Studbook - what is this?

[About_Time1]

[QUOTE=RedMare01;6106921]
Hmm, just a life observation, but when you’re trying to placate unhappy customers (especially with a new/unknown venture and said customers are spending $$$), the correct response, even to unfounded criticisms, is usually best done something like, “I’m so sorry you felt that way. I will definitely keep that in mind and try to correct it in the future. Thank you so much for bringing it to our attention.” But obviously not everyone agrees. Carry on.[/QUOTE]

To me, it seems that if someone has a personal problem with NAS, SCF, YHS, Jean-Yves, or whomever, that person should take the problem to that organization or person directly and should not publicly state things much of which are untrue. Yes, I understand commenting on things that you would like to see change. As long as those comments are courteous and constructive (which many people have been). Again, no one denies there are changes that need to be made. As some of you pointed out, there are three of them running it so I’m sure that until they can make a go of it financially and can hire more help, they’re doing the best they can. BUT talking about money issues between these various organizations when you have no idea what you’re talking about is the kind of thing that does not belong on a public BB. I don’t consider any person or organization’s money to be any of my business. That’s crazy!

I know many changes for the good have been made throughout the year and many competitors have noted them and been grateful for them. I’ve heard of these either first hand, through word of mouth, or experienced them myself. It is obvious that they have to take everything into consideration and it is likely impossible to adapt each show and class to each owner’s demands. This is not an exhibition, its a performance-oriented show where standards and rules have to be set and followed so it stays fair for everyone who competes…once again, like any other competition. According to various sources and my own experience at the shows, they’ve been going smoother over the course of the year, more timely and more organized. Im sure they will only get better. Lets give them a chance!

[Sakura_Hill_Farm]

[QUOTE=MaggieF;6107167]
OMG Michelle, why do you always have to try to be the center of attention!!! None of the comments here were about you and your show. I wasn’t at your show, nor do I gives two cents about it. Yet again trying to ride someone elses wave.

Candice, go with any registry you want. Again, this is not any of our concern, nor do we care.

FYI, Jean-Yves didn’t come up with this concept. I’ll let it go at that.

Maggie[/QUOTE

It is not “my show”. It is a YHS show that we co-host with Cav-i Farm in Ocala. There was one in October 2011. There will be two in 2012, March and October. Both Candy and I welcome you to either or both of them.

You have criticized our October show, although you were not in attendance. I have attempted to address your complaints. Perhaps you would prefer that I not address them…and “let them fall on deaf ears” as has been said.

Sadly, I think that the desire for a focus of attention is not my own, but perhaps lies elsewhere.

[MaggieF]

Honestly Michelle, I am done. I didn’t criticize your little show. I only repeated what I was told. This is what happens when you try to make a conversation that was NOT about you all about you.

You knew I was only talking about the WEF shows but you just had to make it about YOUR show.

Do whatever you want. Just leave me out of it.

Maggie

PS NO I will not be attending your shows.

[MaggieF]

[QUOTE=About Time;6107218]
To me, it seems that if someone has a personal problem with NAS, SCF, YHS, Jean-Yves, or whomever, that person should take the problem to that organization or person directly and should not publicly state things much of which are untrue. Yes, I understand commenting on things that you would like to see change. As long as those comments are courteous and constructive (which many people have been). Again, no one denies there are changes that need to be made. As some of you pointed out, there are three of them running it so I’m sure that until they can make a go of it financially and can hire more help, they’re doing the best they can. BUT talking about money issues between these various organizations when you have no idea what you’re talking about is the kind of thing that does not belong on a public BB. I don’t consider any person or organization’s money to be any of my business. That’s crazy!

I know many changes for the good have been made throughout the year and many competitors have noted them and been grateful for them. I’ve heard of these either first hand, through word of mouth, or experienced them myself. It is obvious that they have to take everything into consideration and it is likely impossible to adapt each show and class to each owner’s demands. This is not an exhibition, its a performance-oriented show where standards and rules have to be set and followed so it stays fair for everyone who competes…once again, like any other competition. According to various sources and my own experience at the shows, they’ve been going smoother over the course of the year, more timely and more organized. I’m sure they will only get better. Lets give them a chance![/QUOTE]

If by "someone " you are referring to me, I have no personal problem with anyone involved in the YHS. Yes I have, and so have MANY others, taken our complaints, suggestions, etc directly to them. Multiple times I and others have offered to help. FOR FREE!!! I have offered solutions to many of the problems because I live here in West Palm Beach and could help with anything they needed. Problem is that NO ONE LISTENED. So maybe they are listening now.

Have you shown a horse at any of the YHS’s? Honestly I don’t value the opinion of someone who has nothing but “word of mouth” to go on. Especially since you are a customer of both JSF and SCF.

Those of us who have posted here are worried first and foremost about the safety of the horses. Yes, the show was poorly fun, but that was just an annoyance. When you have multiple horses crashing through the jump chute, and jumping through backwards, and being terrified, and not being allowed to warm up before jumping, and housing stallions who don’t know each other in stalls with a common wall it is dangerous!!! DANGEROUS!!! Yet I don’t hear from anyone involved in the show about what changes are going to be made to fix these problems. They all know my number.

Honestly I don’t give a rat’s ass about NAS or it’s affiliation with the YHS. I threw all the gift certificates away. I don’t even care that I still haven’t gotten my prize money check after two months. Just tell me what you are going to do to make it safer for the horses. Because until you do I and my 8 horses are staying home.

Maggie

[Sakura_Hill_Farm]

[QUOTE=MaggieF;6107355]

Those of us who have posted here are worried first and foremost about the safety of the horses. Yes, the show was poorly fun, but that was just an annoyance. When you have multiple horses crashing through the jump chute, and jumping through backwards, and being terrified, and not being allowed to warm up before jumping, and housing stallions who don’t know each other in stalls with a common wall it is dangerous!!! DANGEROUS!!! Yet I don’t hear from anyone involved in the show about what changes are going to be made to fix these problems. They all know my number.

Maggie[/QUOTE]

Poorly “fun” may be a typo (I assume). However, “your little show” is not.

At the Finals, I was enjoying good company, good horses and good champagne!

I am taking the advice of Redmare with regard to the other comments…my experience over a lifetime is that those who complain the loudest are frequently those who have fallen the farthest short of expectations- their own or others.

Folks, M.O’Connor is trying…we are trying…YHS is trying …are YOU trying?.. to bring the breeders of America together to promote our homebred horses to ourselves and others. Please help us in constructive ways.

PS. My name is spelled with one “l”. Thank you.

[Daventry]

@NAS Info;6099137

1. NAS registration papers are as valid as any papers in the US. We are in the process of becoming a WBFSH associate member (just like all new registries have to do). The politics of North American chapters of WBFSH registries will differ and change over the time as far as their acceptance or recognition of the NAS which is totally understandable and just like any new registries have to go through (Zangersheide or La Silla did not get full recognition right away for example).

I have been waiting for an answer on this too. No response yet, so I am assuming this isn’t going to happen in the near future.

[iconicbayequestrian]

One final comment-
Several people have expressed concern about the handlers competence and not wanting to use handlers for their horses. I also was very reluctant to have other people handle our horses. We have raised them, trained them and know their little quirks, as well as training them for the jump chute. We show them in hand at both the inspections as well as regular shows. All that being sd, the handlers at the YHS have shown our horses as well as if not better then we could have. They have asked us about our horses personalities, manners and have even taken the time to make suggestions on how to present them better or exercises to do at home to prepare them better. At the finals, when our 2nd old was not performing well, they asked us what they could do to help. They care about the horses and try to show the horses to the best of the horses potential. They do the best with what they are given to work with.

Thanks to you guys for the help.

[Sakura_Hill_Farm]

[QUOTE=iconicbayequestrian;6108328]
One final comment-
Several people have expressed concern about the handlers competence and not wanting to use handlers for their horses. I also was very reluctant to have other people handle our horses. We have raised them, trained them and know their little quirks, as well as training them for the jump chute. We show them in hand at both the inspections as well as regular shows. All that being sd, the handlers at the YHS have shown our horses as well as if not better then we could have. They have asked us about our horses personalities, manners and have even taken the time to make suggestions on how to present them better or exercises to do at home to prepare them better. At the finals, when our 2nd old was not performing well, they asked us what they could do to help. They care about the horses and try to show the horses to the best of the horses potential. They do the best with what they are given to work with.

Thanks to you guys for the help.[/QUOTE]

We can only second this. The handlers do amazing work with young horses that, on most occasions, they have never seen before. The amount of schooling that these horses have had in hand and in the jump chute may range from extensive, such as the Iconic Bay horses and others to non-existent, as is frequently the case. They do so with unfailing good humor and willingness to help.

One of the handlers is hosting a YHS in the Boston area in June and I believe one of the judges is a prime mover in the YHS tentatively scheduled for Atlanta. Rumor has it that there may be a YHS in Pennsylvania as well as in the MidWest and California.

Nothing could make us happier than to see others step up and host these YHSs so that it can become a fixture on the competition firmament, so woefully lacking in opportunities for our young horses to get out, compete and be seen!

[MaggieF]

I also think the handlers are terrific people and did their very best. They did go out of their way to be professional, courteous, friendly and helpful. That being said: Two of my horses actually got hurt in the jump chute because of incorrect handling. One had to be pulled out and scratched. He (Carry On MF, who won every 3 year old class he was entered in previous to the final) has a few more weeks of healing before he can even begin to be ridden again. Which puts us way behind for this season. Also he is a stallion and should be preparing for the 70 day stallion test already.

The safety issues are serious and need to be addressed. As an example: In my opinion, the handlers need to be put with appropriate sized horses. Both of my horses who got hurt are over 17 hands and Phil Silva handled them because he was “up next”. They should have had Brendan handle the big horses, Klaus the medium sized horses and Phil the smaller horses, just based on their personal size, not ability. Phil is way shorter than me (I’m 5’7) and couldn’t keep up with the big horses and just let them go probably 10 strides or more before the first jump causing them to run too fast through the jump chute. My big grey mare, Royal Rayne MF, actually bounced it and crashed through the oxer. She was the high score horse for the jump chute at the WEF shows leading up to the final. So she can jump and is very experienced.

It wasn’t really Phil’s fault but even after I asked him to bring my 3 year old stallion right up to the cross rail, he let him go again. He told me he just couldn’t hold him.

If you watch videos of the way the Europeans do the jump chute you will note that EVERY horse is walked right up to the cross rail then let go. It HAS TO BE THE SAME FOR EVERY HORSE OR IT IS NOT FAIR AND SOMETIMES NOT SAFE.

I think the handlers did the best they could to a point, but there was no excuse for the person running the show (Jean Yves) to not recognize problems right away. He is not an experienced horseman by any stretch of the imagination. He only really started becoming involved with Saret’s breeding business a few years ago. He traveled around Europe in a band most of the time for the last 30 years. These are facts directly from his mouth. He doesn’t ride, he is not a horse trainer, he has never assisted in running a show to learn…nothing to prepare him for this. I think unless he is replaced something really bad is going to happen to someone’s horse and that will be a real shame.

Also many of us feel that the chute was not measured properly. But we will never know now.

Let me be clear. I was the BIGGEST supporter of this show just by the number of times I participated and the number of horses I brought. I want this to work. I just don’t want anyone else’s horse to get hurt.

Maggie

[About_Time1]

[QUOTE=MaggieF;]

I think the handlers did the best they could to a point, but there was no excuse for the person running the show (Jean Yves) to not recognize problems right away. He is not an experienced horseman by any stretch of the imagination. He only really started becoming involved with Saret’s breeding business a few years ago. He traveled around Europe in a band most of the time for the last 30 years. These are facts directly from his mouth. He doesn’t ride, he is not a horse trainer, he has never assisted in running a show to learn…nothing to prepare him for this. I think unless he is replaced something really bad is going to happen to someone’s horse and that will be a

Maggie[/QUOTE]

The only true statement in that paragraph is that Jean-Yves was in a band.

[Sakura_Hill_Farm]

Sometimes the reporting of events can become somewhat distorted over time…memories fade…extraneous aims and purposes intrude.
Perhaps reading a recount of the event as made on its conclusion will rebalance the the picture…

http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=332884

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=MaggieF;6110412]
I also think the handlers are terrific people and did their very best. They did go out of their way to be professional, courteous, friendly and helpful. That being said: Two of my horses actually got hurt in the jump chute because of incorrect handling. One had to be pulled out and scratched. He (Carry On MF, who won every 3 year old class he was entered in previous to the final) has a few more weeks of healing before he can even begin to be ridden again. Which puts us way behind for this season. Also he is a stallion and should be preparing for the 70 day stallion test already.

The safety issues are serious and need to be addressed. As an example: In my opinion, the handlers need to be put with appropriate sized horses. Both of my horses who got hurt are over 17 hands and Phil Silva handled them because he was “up next”. They should have had Brendan handle the big horses, Klaus the medium sized horses and Phil the smaller horses, just based on their personal size, not ability. Phil is way shorter than me (I’m 5’7) and couldn’t keep up with the big horses and just let them go probably 10 strides or more before the first jump causing them to run too fast through the jump chute. My big grey mare, Royal Rayne MF, actually bounced it and crashed through the oxer. She was the high score horse for the jump chute at the WEF shows leading up to the final. So she can jump and is very experienced.

It wasn’t really Phil’s fault but even after I asked him to bring my 3 year old stallion right up to the cross rail, he let him go again. He told me he just couldn’t hold him.

If you watch videos of the way the Europeans do the jump chute you will note that EVERY horse is walked right up to the cross rail then let go. It HAS TO BE THE SAME FOR EVERY HORSE OR IT IS NOT FAIR AND SOMETIMES NOT SAFE.

I think the handlers did the best they could to a point, but there was no excuse for the person running the show (Jean Yves) to not recognize problems right away. He is not an experienced horseman by any stretch of the imagination. He only really started becoming involved with Saret’s breeding business a few years ago. He traveled around Europe in a band most of the time for the last 30 years. These are facts directly from his mouth. He doesn’t ride, he is not a horse trainer, he has never assisted in running a show to learn…nothing to prepare him for this. I think unless he is replaced something really bad is going to happen to someone’s horse and that will be a real shame.

Also many of us feel that the chute was not measured properly. But we will never know now.

Let me be clear. I was the BIGGEST supporter of this show just by the number of times I participated and the number of horses I brought. I want this to work. I just don’t want anyone else’s horse to get hurt.

Maggie[/QUOTE]

I also have heard this about the band member. Not much equine experience.

I also have witnessed some video of the free jumping and there are certainly concerns for me. I witness the best free jumping in the world on an annual basis and what I saw in FL needs some serious development. There was very little attempt at trying to help the horses with distances. I saw bouncing without insertion of ground poles to get them out of the air. I saw horses allowed to be too athletic , thus inhibiting their true jump. I saw horses lunging at the jumps when the distances were obviously not suited for that particular horses stride etc.

There would need to be more experience displayed before I would allow my Holsteiner horses to freejump there. JMHO

[pony_grandma]

ME-OOOWWW Cat fight in Florida …

[QUOTE=About Time;6110520]
The only true statement in that paragraph is that Jean-Yves was in a band.[/QUOTE]

:lol::lol::lol: drumroll please!

In his defense J-Y is a superb hand with a horse!! I took my two younsters to the first show in KY. My 3 yr filly had never been anywhere since her inspection and she had never been in a barn with pavers (we have dirt floors in our backyard barn :eek:), she had never ever seen a wash stall - mats and drains and hoses. :no: uh huh she wasn’t going to have anything to do with that! Jean-Yves whispered something French in her ear and she walked right in - what a whore.

Likewise I have witnessed his patience with young horses trailer loading. He is kind and gentle, calm and soft and relaxed. He never rushes or forces, he encourages them to make good choices, he teaches. You guys are barbaric.

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=pony grandma;6112512]
ME-OOOWWW Cat fight in Florida …

:lol::lol::lol: drumroll please!

In his defense J-Y is a superb hand with a horse!! I took my two younsters to the first show in KY. My 3 yr filly had never been anywhere since her inspection and she had never been in a barn with pavers (we have dirt floors in our backyard barn :eek:), she had never ever seen a wash stall - mats and drains and hoses. :no: uh huh she wasn’t going to have anything to do with that! Jean-Yves whispered something French in her ear and she walked right in - what a whore.

Likewise I have witnessed his patience with young horses trailer loading. He is kind and gentle, calm and soft and relaxed. He never rushes or forces, he encourages them to make good choices, he teaches. You guys are barbaric.[/QUOTE]

“Barbaric” ? That’s a little over the top there grandma !

All I’ve seen here is some folks voicing their displeasure and some folks casting their vote of confidence. It’s called a democracy grandma.

[S_A_McKee]

[QUOTE=Bayhawk;6112827]
“Barbaric” ? That’s a little over the top there grandma !

All I’ve seen here is some folks voicing their displeasure and some folks casting their vote of confidence. It’s called a democracy grandma.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, over the top.
However COTH and especially this forum is very far from a democracy. No idea why you’d make that very odd statement.

[Sakura_Hill_Farm]

The website is now live although still a work in progress!

http://www.younghorseshow.com/

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=S A McKee;6113321]
Yeah, over the top.
However COTH and especially this forum is very far from a democracy. No idea why you’d make that very odd statement.[/QUOTE]

Jus trying to relay to pony grandma that folks having differing opinions is far from “barbaric”

[Hares1963]

Have any of you done the USDF show in hand? Well, I can tell you that they are way more expensive. My husband (not a horse handler) had to handle our guy. Not only did he have to don the “Icecream Man Suit” he also had to learn how to properly show him. Why??? Because a professional handler was $80 per ‘handle’. At the USDF show if your horse does well, there can be 4-5 ‘handles’. Do the math. Then there are the $150+ stall fees + all of the other fees not associated with the class + the entry fees. I applaud YHS for what they have done! We were at the point where we were just going to not show until they could be ridden.

Wellington was a long trailer ride, but our youngster grew up so much by being exposed to the ‘electric’ atmosphere without breaking the bank. they are doing an awesome job, and I (plus hubby who doesn’t have to wear white and run his butt off) am very thankful for them.

[PineTreeFarm]

Ok, so this is one more NA program that most of you dont support along with IHF, IJF and APH, USEF Young Horse Dressage classes, USHJA Futurity etc.

Are there any programs that you’d be willing to support or are you all just feed and lead folks?

Everytime a program is mentioned it’s a pile on. How many of those complaining actually show in performance classes? What would you like to see for young horses ( other than xrails for 8 year olds ).

And good luck to M O’Connor who wants to start a NA Breeders Group if none of you can support these programs. How the heck will you get behind a NA Breeders Group?

Instead of complaining can any of you come up with a program? Or offer any constructive suggestions?