Natural horsemanship forum?

I’m a longtime h/j rider, but I’m newly into natural horsemanship. Actually, I would probably call myself obsessed :). Is there enough interest in this subject to warrant its own forum?

And yes, I know some of you will say “Natural horsemanship is just horsemanship.” You’re right, but I’m not here to debate that. I thought it might be fun for those of us who believe in these methods to share successes, challenges, ideas, resources, etc.

If that’s out of the question, is there a good Facebook group to join? I haven’t found a great one yet.

There is a lot of diversity among devotees of “Natural Horsemanship.” It’s probably more productive to focus on one or two particular practitioners that you like than to seek out a broad-based natural horsemanship forum. Because of the fanatical exclusivity among followers of certain NH gurus, I suspect that there would be a lot of conflict if you tried to bring them all under one umbrella.

Just make a post here about how great Pat Parelli is or how much you love Clinton Anderson’s program and you can get a little taste of that. :lol:

I like Warwick Schiller, as do quite a few other posters here. He has a Facebook page and there is also a Facebook group for people who follow his program.

https://www.facebook.com/Warwickschillerfanpage/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/WarwickSchillerPerformanceHorsemanship/

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Ha! Point taken. I also like Warwick Schiller and Buck Brannaman.

Since Buck has the respect of George Morris, I certainly hope COTHs would be somewhat open to his ideas.

Have you not been following the threads on George Morris and Safe Sport? Just to point out no one is sacred …

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Be open to his sexual or verbal abuse, his degrading comments or above-the-law devotees?

Asking for a friend (few dispute his contributions to horses, but how to mighty have fallen- or been caught).

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OP, I think you’ll find more support on Facebook groups than here. As you’ve already seen.

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This is a discussion I really didn’t mean to start. I’m not defending George Morris’ actions AT ALL, but he played a pivotal role in the development of the hunter division as we know it today. That’s all I meant.

If this post is just going to incite people, then let’s just all move on. I’ll go elsewhere on this request. Thanks all for reading this far.

OP I disagree that you need to go somewhere else. This is a horse forum, for discussion of everything horse, including training methods. I’ll start by saying that I’ve learned many good things over the years from a variety of trainers within different disciplines, and also some unfortunate, with-me-forever lessons on what not to do. Kind of like The Berenstain Bears ‘The Bike Lesson’.

Same goes for NH. I tend not to follow any one trainer and instead have managed to learn from an array of sources what resonates with me and is most effective while causing the least stress and anxiety to my animals. There is so much good knowledge out there, from horsemen/women who have studied the craft, are willing to change and improve their techniques as they go, and have the welfare and understanding of the horse foremost in their approach at all times.

I’m personally grateful that the horse training world has broken wide open with what I consider more humane ways to interact with horses, despite the charlatans out there who try to take advantage. One finds that in all walks of life.

Welcome to Coth! :slight_smile:

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Well, thank you. Your words are much appreciated. What appeals to me about this approach is the concern for the horse’s well-being. I will not be bopping anyone on the head with a lunge whip or anything odd like that.

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And this kind of statement is going to get you that negative push back you said you didn’t want. I’ve been riding since the 1960s. There has never been a time that I did not have concern for my horses’ well-being. I didn’t need “natural horsemanship” to come along and introduce me to that concept. Because yeah, good quality natural horsemanship is just good quality horsemanship.

And there are absolutely some practitioners of “natural horsemanship” out there who do not, as far as I can determine, have much concern at all for the horses’ well-being.

This is why I suggested that your discussions may be more productive if you focus on specific individuals’ programs.

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A word of caution to be extremely discerning regarding the plethora of NH trainers out there. A slick website with reams of raving testimonials can sometimes provide cover for sub par training methods. Not here to name names but I can honestly say that the worst clinic I ever attended was with a well known and apparently highly regarded NH trainer. So awful, and seemingly packed with delusional followers.

On the other hand, the very best sessions I’ve participated in have also been with an NH trainer. I learned things from him that became profound light bulb moments for me and by extension our eventers. Small but significant shifts in how we do things with our regular jumping, x-country and dressage coaches.

Coth is a great resource for trainers and training methods. I hope your thread takes off. It would be a nice distraction from the current state of affairs right now!

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I think if you want to talk about natural horsemanship go for it. But if you want to just try to advocate for natural horsemanship, don’t.

I love talking about horsemanship and sharing different training principles on here. The problem I run into is that whenever I’m critical of Natural horsemanship people just assume I have no idea what I’m talking about and must be some ignorant english lady thats never sat in a western saddle so obviously I have no idea how great natural horsemanship is because if I did, I’d definitely support it. The reality is that I grew up practicing NH, went to a ton of NH clinics, and my trainer was a die hard NH follower. I was too until I moved barns when I moved to college and discovered that there are other ways to do things.

I still use some NH principles in my training but some, I really don’t agree with. To be honest I shudder at the phrase because a lot of “natural horsemanship” training is just ugly and not empathetic to the horse. But somehow whenever I get into it with the NH crowd the idea that someone could’ve studied NH extensively and no longer follows it, just does not compute. I think there’s a mind set in NH people where they think that there’s 2 groups of people: everyone who follows natural horsemanship and idiots.

So if you want to talk about natural horsemanship, go right ahead. Just don’t be shocked when there are plenty of knowledgeable horse people that don’t agree with the training principles.

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Would you be willing to message me names?

Too early for popcorn?

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I see I’ve started something unintentionally. If others would like to continue discussing, that is fine. But I am going to step away from this post. It’s a lonely time and I was hoping to find a community to share my interest, that is all.

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Translation: “I don’t want my views on natural horsemanship challenged.”

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Yes the whole NH label definitely seems to trigger strong responses, both for and against. I wish there was a better way to describe some of the kinder, more intuitive training techniques that have become more widely available, at least in my mind, in the last couple of decades that were not as prevalent in years past. Some really ugly stuff was routine in the world I grew up in, as well as thankfully some time-honored approaches, such as much of what is taught in Pony Club.

I personally find labels to be limiting. I’d rather glean what I consider good, solid horsemanship principles from different sources, un-blinkered so to speak. Because in the end, we are all working with the same species, and there are many terrific, humane, effective ways to do things that are not at the exclusion of others.

OP, I understood what you meant about your concern for your horse’s well being. Of course we all like to think that we feel that way. The issue is that not all trainers do, whatever their slant. And even fairly good ones can have developed successful approaches to certain situations but are weak in others. It’s quite a personal journey to piece it all together in a cohesive way that works for us and our horses as individuals. I actually really enjoy thinking about and discussing this topic :).

Edited to add - OP sorry that you’re feeling lonely and that you’re leaving. Another time.

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But that is true both within and outside the world of Natural Horsemanship. And given some of the ugly behind-the-scenes stories I’ve heard over the years about some of the natural horsemanship gurus, I’m not convinced that the proportion of good-to-bad is any better among practitioners of NH than it is among “regular” horsemen.

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“Shares my interest” is not the same as “agrees with everything I say.” If you want to have a discussion on a public discussion board about any topic, you’re going to have to accept the fact that there are going to be a diversity of opinions expressed.

If you want to talk about training techniques and approaches, there are plenty of people here who will be happy to discuss with you. Just don’t expect everyone to always share your perspectives.

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I would love to know how easy or difficult it is for a horse to switch training methods if anyone has experience of this?

I saw an ad for a lovely Parelli trained youngster once and didn’t view because I’m BHS trained (so traditional British style, although it has become a more relaxed version over the years) and I thought that switching method might be confusing for the horse.