Neonate foal won't lay down

[csaper58]

@JB

The link you provide states:
Contraindications: foals that have never stood or have any of the following: a rib fracture, respiratory distress, shock, sepsis, signs of prematurity or congenital anomalies.

I’m sure any reasonably intelligent person can see if a foal isn’t breathing well, has deformities, but as I’ve stated several times, most newbies to this won’t know of any rib fractures (easily possible in this case, even a minor one), and most newbies would not know the difference between premature, dysmature, or dummy foal.

And that’s the point of why the MS is not a good option for simply getting a foal to lay down to show him he can be down there.

It is really NOT something the general layperson should be doing without a well-foal check (which had not been done at the time you suggested it), and really should be done with the presence of the vet to make sure all went well while he was “passed out”.

Yes the link I provided is professional and well thought out and not afraid to advise viewers that it is not for everyone in every situation.

When those conditions you propose exist in a foal, It almost always don’t want to get up, why would you be trying to lay one down? If such a foal does need to be helped, the other techniques to ‘lay it down’ mentioned would also be just as contraindicated

‘Judo Method’ a premature foal with broken ribs? You go for it. :rolleyes:

Tell me @JB How would you ‘lay down’ a premature… dummy foal…with broken ribs… without risking displacing the ribs or exacerbating any internal injuries?

Please document that the technique you describe is widely accepted and practiced by veterinary professionals.

[JB]

@csaper58

Yes the link I provided is professional and well thought out and not afraid to advise viewers that it is not for everyone in every situation.

Exactly, so I’m not sure why you’re insisting it’s perfectly ok for the OP (or anyone in the OP’s situation) to do, when you know nothing about that person, and then the reasonable assumption is they don’t know enough to determine whether it’s safe to do this to the foal. It’s not about the mechanics.

When those conditions you propose exist in a foal, It almost always don’t want to get up, why would you be trying to lay one down? If such a foal does need to be helped, the other techniques to ‘lay it down’ mentioned would also be just as contraindicated

The operative words being “almost always”. And if that foal did have some of those issues and need help, I would HOPE a vet would be around by that point

‘Judo Method’ a premature foal with broken ribs? You go for it. :rolleyes:

It’s not squeezing a foal’s ribcage, and I highly doubt Cumano or anyone would even consider having to lay down a premature foal, who would have issues clearly visible, such as being unlikely to get up on its own, nurse on its own, etc. A premature foal is not remotely normal and anyone with a lick of sense could see that.

Tell me @JB How would you ‘lay down’ a premature… dummy foal…with broken ribs… without risking displacing the ribs or exacerbating any internal injuries?

Please document that the technique you describe is widely accepted and practiced by veterinary professionals.

I wouldn’t be.
I would have had my vet on the phone before you could say BOO.

Most premature and dysmature foals would be struggling to get up in the first place. Having them down is not the problem.

[csaper58]

@JB

Exactly, so I’m not sure why you’re insisting it’s perfectly ok for the OP (or anyone in the OP’s situation) to do, when you know nothing about that person, and then the reasonable assumption is they don’t know enough to determine whether it’s safe to do this to the foal. It’s not about the mechanics.

The operative words being “almost always”. And if that foal did have some of those issues and need help, I would HOPE a vet would be around by that point

It’s not squeezing a foal’s ribcage, and I highly doubt Cumano or anyone would even consider having to lay down a premature foal, who would have issues clearly visible, such as being unlikely to get up on its own, nurse on its own, etc. A premature foal is not remotely normal and anyone with a lick of sense could see that.

I wouldn’t be.
I would have had my vet on the phone before you could say BOO.

Most premature and dysmature foals would be struggling to get up in the first place. Having them down is not the problem.

Exactly the point I raised. So once again you are beating your ‘dead horse’ for vanity’s sake. :rolleyes:

[JB]

Not really. I pointed out the rib issue, that’s all. I clearly stated the other issues would, I would hope, be obvious to anyone, and preclude them from doing anything at all without a vet’s involvement. I’ve never had any argument about this other than possible fractures (besides it being unsuitable for simply getting a foal to lay down), you were the one bringing them up for a game of “what would you do”.

Have a nice night.