Wasn’t dotneko a USA dressage judge in 2014.
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Can we not make this about dotneko? go back and see all the comments/context if you want. I called out a couple of people for the recent charges and video and they looked further in to the details and changed their tune. If Dot shows up and supports Parra now I think it’s fair to question her.
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When the whole stuff with Lauren Kanareck and Michael Barisone was happening, was Cesar Parra’s farm the other farm people thought she should go to? The “Other FEI trainer in NJ”?
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There are more FEI trainers than Barisone and Parra in NJ
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No. There was conjecture on this forum at the time that it was Parra’s place but it was confirmed by sources in the know that it was a different facility/different trainer(s).
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Ummm…connect the dots. They were probably MB supporters. Just sayin’.
Well, I guess it’s up to dotneko to pipe up and say she has changed her tune about supporting CP training methods. The screen shot provided implies support for CP when he hurt William. Judges set the standards that competitors follow in order to win.
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I have no idea if this was the place or not. I was just thinking how incredibly tempestuous THAT would have been if LK had gone there.
As to Horsecrazy3, I have taken MANY MANY lessons with Dot. I can assure you, she is nothing but kind to the horse. There is NOTHING abusive in her repetoire.
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I never said she was abusive, but she did not speak out against the abusive behavior towards William that caused him to he permanently hurt. Where are all the BN trainers’, coaches’, judges’ voices condemning the abuser? Where is her voice now? Judges set the standard of what is winning at all levels of our sport.
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@Horsecrazy3 Have you, as a concerned amateur, contacted USEF to ask why it has been so slow in responding to the allegations and video? It will take a strong push from membership to change the “nothing to see here” culture evident in the USEF.
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No, as I’m a Canadian. I make sure Equestrian Canada is contacted when I see abuse. I also will call people out on it when I see it. I also don’t spend my money on anyone (domestic and internationally) that is shown to be abusive or have questionable training methods that also includes their sponsors. You are right that it’s membership of all the countries that need to speak up to their governing body to change the “nothing to see here” culture.
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Go back to the beginning and see the early responses to put it in context, I think it will help in this case.
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As they say, hindsight is 20/20. don’t understand why there seems to be a pile-on on one poster based on what was said 10 years ago.
In the US you are innocent until proven guilty. Maybe 10 years ago, the evidence wasn’t enough to “convict.” I would say that now, there is a different story as more information comes to light.
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Why, is there a post that shows a change in attitude towards training methods that CP used in handling William or any other horse before the most recent CP abuse scandal?
Yeah, the internet can flatten time in a very weird way when posts from 10 years ago are appearing just up thread from current posts. It really undersells the difference in time and context.
I haven’t read the old posts in the thread, I don’t see the value in revisiting them now, because I can’t evaluate those posts objectively with the additional context that has come out regarding Cesar Parra.
I think the only value now is considering what can change about dressage and how we interact with our horses so shortcuts and abusive training practices are not rewarded? (For me, it might be opting out of competitive dressage because the powers that be have no incentive to change and a lot of r€a$on$ to continue down this path.)
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The reason I brought up the old post was only due to this exchange:
I only wanted to point out that that was done on this thread. And if someone scrolls all the way to the top it might not be immediately evident it was 10 years ago. My intent wasn’t to derail or cause confusion.
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I don’t think anybody that judges can make statements either in support of CP or condemning him. I think their Code of Conduct (or whatever they call it) states that they must remain impartial unless he is convicted. Worst case scenario is that he skates and then is being judged by someone that condemned him and he doesn’t get scored well and sues the powers that be that he was before a prejudiced judge that was out to get him based on what they said about him. Judges have to remain impartial and only judge what they see in front of them at that time. Part of the problem with the Withages (sp?) allegations.
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If one sees abuse of a person or animal it needs to have the light of day shone on it. Waiting for a conviction will not change the abuse being done to the victim. Turning a blind eye makes one part of the abuse and keeping quiet is sanctioning the actions of the abuser. It’s a cop out to say one needs to wait for a conviction before one can state the obvious that the abuser is harming the victim. The dirty little secret is whispered amongst those in the know and have the power to stop it. How many individuals and horses need to be victimized before those in control of our sport take action? Sadly not until their bottom line is threatened or an outside entity says enough is enough. Judges are suppose to be the gate keepers of correct and ethical training. They are not unaware of what is going on behind the scenes. Incorrect training was and is rewarded at all levels of our sport.
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The alternative is we continue to see videos leak and then PETA grabs the narrative.
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Peta already has it.
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