English summary/translation on Eurodressage:
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I was just reading the article that @Rubi posted. Title says: " Oldenburg and Hanoverian Verband Ban and Exclude Klieber/Sandrink Temporarily, Cesar Parra for Life"
" . . . Dr. Cesar Parra. He is permanently banned from entering the two association facilities as well as a ban on participating as a presenter/exhibitor at association events. It is not possible for him to apply for membership in the two horse breeding associations."
Maybe this ban wouldnât affect Parra anyway, but it is a start.
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Wrong. Read it again:
Please show us in the âmassive studyâ article where it says Wobblers is caused by rollkur/hyperflexion.
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Sadly, it is unlikely that sanction will affect Parra. Very few trainers in NA belong to registries as there is no need for them to join unless they breed or want to present a mare or stallion for breeding approval. I also doubt the ban on âparticipating as a presenter/exhibitor at association eventsâ will affect him, as I canât really see him riding at registry-sponsored competitions. The ban on entering the registry facilities could affect him if he was in the habit of attending stallion licensings or stallion shows, etc. But I donât think many NA-based trainers attend those events.
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What about breed sponsored auctions? I guess it would not matter as âstrawâ men (persons) can be used.
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I do think it establishes a precedent that a complete ban for life is an appropriate response to abuse. FEI and USEF should take note.
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Because you are intent on being obtuse - point I was making is that the horse is diagnosed as a wobbler by a vet so as to collect on the insurance. The point is about a vet. However, rolkur has been demonstrated to cause structural issues in the neck.
Dont derail the thread.
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Correct - the ban will also prevent him from attending registry auctions but as you say, he could just use an agent. Itâs not clear if he would be allowed to bid over the phone. I do wonder how many horses he has bought in registry auctions over the years - does he patronize them or does he always buy via private sales?
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Yes - although I find it interesting that he received a lifetime ban when he wasnât directly involved in the incident that led to the sanctions, but the two Germans who WERE involved in it received only 4-year suspensions. The lifetime ban also applies to Nicholas Torres (the guy seen whipping the horse), so apparently the registries felt that the Germans were âless guiltyâ than Torres because they werenât actively whipping or otherwise abusing the horse, and âless guiltyâ than Parra who was sanctioned because Torres was his employee and the incident happened at Parraâs facility.
So yes, it sends a message that abusive treatment such as whipping will not be tolerated, and that the âtrainerâ or âemployerâ will be held accountable for the actions of employees who engage in such abuse - just as in the Helgstrand case.
You received 2 links. The first shows that bad riding hurts horses and causes injury. The 2nd that Wobblers can have an injury component.
Use the force Luke to find your answer.
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Ok, so insurance companies just take the word of a (crooked?) vet and donât bother having anyone else look at rads or myelograms?
The point I was making is that your assumption is a stretch. If a horse is has Wobblers, it has Wobblers. Itâs not really a diagnosis of convenience. Itâs not something that can be invented because there are excellent diagnostics available for it.
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Neither show that wobblers is caused by bad riding. Use your actual brain to muddle through some of this and make sense of it, please.
My guess would be that the DVM reports irreversible neurologic deficits as a result of cervical spine pathology. This could be congenital, dgenerative, traumatic, infectious, etc. in terms of etiology.
Whether itâs referred to as âwobblersâ or not is kinda irrelevant.
I would imagine it would cost more to try to prove that the damage was definitely due to abusive training practices than it would to pay out in most cases, barring video evidence.
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So much snark and so unnecessary.
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I get that your wounded pride keeps you from seeing that there are possible correlations but do know that your demeanor doesnât present well. Or admirably.
I shall leave you to your universe.
Have a nice day! 
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AAEP_Equine_Cruelty_Abuse_Neglect_FAQ.pdf
A link to the AAEPâs equine cruelty and abuse handbook for vets. It is woefully slim on what is abuse, but it does guide them on how to document it. Here, we have a mandatory abuse reporting law too, but generally they wonât do anything about it unless hooves are curling over, the horse is so thin you can see all the ribs, there is no water or access to food. OTOH when I imported my mare, she was taken to a CEM facility in my state (about a 90 minute drive from me) (in a sealed van from L.A. quarantineâI did this so that I could visit her) and they (1) had her in a dark stall with no bedding, were not feeding her enough hay, hay looked like straw, refused to feed the grain I provided. When I visited her, she had dropped about 75 pounds from the time she arrived (about 3 days) and we took pictures and measurements and she showed signs of colic and distress. I contacted the State Vet and they were ON IT. They came out and looked at her, measured her, and instructed them on how to care for her and required measurements and photos daily. I had to come up with a load of decent hay and shavings and visit her daily so that they would put her in the small visiting round pen at least once a day and get her out of the dingy stall. The State Vet was a huge help to me!
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Iâm sorry your skin is so thin that it becomes bruised mistaking discussion and desire to have inaccuracies clarified as âsnark.â
Actually I find a lot of your replies to other posters similar to the less then civil Chestnut Mare that lives in the other pasture on the farm.
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You underestimate the intensity of your corrections the way Cesar Parra underestimates his.
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