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But it is not okay for me to question the credibility, reliability or accuracy of a post? Is that what you are saying?[/QUOTE]
It gets sticky when you question credibility, reliability and accuracy based on number of posts, considering each of us started as a one-post-greenie.
Let’s say Happyone321 had 1,000 posts. Now, what did you read in their post about working for CP that you found unbelievable, not true, or facts that were skewed ?
[QUOTE=Mardi;7727169]
It’s get sticky when you question credibility, reliability and accuracy based on number of posts, considering each of us started as a one-post-greenie.
Let’s say Happyone321 had 1,000 posts. Now, what did you read in their post about working for CP that you found unbelievable, not true, or facts that were skewed ?[/QUOTE]
Because the person was so motivated to promote CP or rebut criticism of him that she joined COTH to do it. What this person says, in my view is less credible in and of itself.
I do not know CP and I have no axe to grind. I do know people who have been associated with him in the past who have no use for him. It is not just because of the abuse allegations, or the warm up ring aggression allegations, or the unethical business practice allegations. It is also because of sexual harassment allegations.
So when I hear all of these things from so many sources, either personally known to me or from publicly filed complaints, I am certainly not going to find an anonymous person who joins COTH in order rush to CP’s defense to be all that credible or reliable. That’s my opinion. I am entitled to post it, just like they are entitled to post theirs.
[QUOTE=Eclectic Horseman;7727263]
…the abuse allegations, or the warm up ring aggression allegations, or the unethical business practice allegations. It is also because of sexual harassment allegations.[/QUOTE]
Many of the same things can be said of a heck of a lot of other BNTs. 
[QUOTE=Eclectic Horseman;7727263]
Because the person was so motivated to promote CP or rebut criticism of him that she joined COTH to do it. What this person says, in my view is less credible in and of itself.
… That’s my opinion. I am entitled to post it, just like they are entitled to post theirs.[/QUOTE]
So you doubt that HappyOne321 is a loyal employee of CP, based only on the number of posts (one-post-greenie), and nothing else. Ok, that’s your opinion. No argument there.
Moving forward, in your opinion, how many posts are required in order to be thought of as credible, reliable and accurate?
[QUOTE=Mardi;7727396]
So you doubt that HappyOne321 is a loyal employee of CP, based only on the number of posts (one-post-greenie), and nothing else. Ok, that’s your opinion. No argument there.
Moving forward, in your opinion, how many posts are required in order to be thought of as credible, reliable and accurate?[/QUOTE]
Going on that premise - EH has 6000 posts. I have 9000. I guess that makes me more credible, reliable and accurate than her. :lol:
I am assuming that some of the folks here are not from the NE.
Seeing piaffe performance at a show is really something. Everyone has these super cool spiffy polo shirts with the cool logo on them. They always look like a happy, cooperative, fun bunch. ( Kind of makes you want to sidle up and drink the kool aid. ). I have no problem believing that is a very loyal group.
Just because he’s got loyal clients and employees doesn’t mean he’s any better (or worse) than what some of us believe (or not). It also doesn’t mean these people (the loyalists) are necessarily suckers. It could simply mean that there are other like-minded folks willing to do whatever it takes to win, regardless of what it does to the horse.
ETA: You couldn’t pay me enough to let the man touch my cheap little QH.:no:
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Just because he’s got loyal clients and employees doesn’t mean he’s any better (or worse) than what some of us believe (or not). It also doesn’t mean these people (the loyalists) are necessarily suckers. It could simply mean that there are other like-minded folks willing to do whatever it takes to win, regardless of what it does to the horse.
ETA: You couldn’t pay me enough to let the man touch my cheap little QH.:no:[/QUOTE]
Absolutely agree 100% with 100% of what you wrote.
I was posting as I believe the new posters are legitimate in THEIR opinion. Seeing the PP team show after show, happy, cooperate, and sporting spiffy shirts, I am not surprised that if someone caught wind of this discussion that they would absolutely join up and share their perspective.
Not uncommon for folks to go on drinking the Kool-aid until something happens to them or someone who they know. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Mardi;7727396]
Moving forward, in your opinion, how many posts are required in order to be thought of as credible, reliable and accurate?[/QUOTE]
Enough so that I feel that I know you as a person from reading your posts on COTH, and that even when I don’t agree with your opinions, I respect them.
Yawn. Nothing new here. CP is high profile, but in my little part of the world there are trainers whose horses are rearing and dumping their riders and trainers, soured faced horses, disappearing horses that were once something until they got there, and ones that couldn’t take their methods, etc. Yet the team looks happy, and will gladly tell you why they are “the best”. They have cute shirts and nice drapes, and high end clients. Meanwhile, I have been saying the same thing. How could these clients not see what others are seeing? Kool-Aid can be powerful stuff. I don’t know if CP fits this description or not since I’m on the other side of the country. I have heard things, but those pics are rather unflattering and I sincerely hope it was just a tragic accident that couldn’t be helped. I agree the side reins are troubling.
I’ve known and worked with Dr. Parra for 15 years – BECAUSE the way my horses are treated is more important to me than winning. He also works with some of my students from time to time. Neither I or any of my students have ever owned a grand prix horse, and many of our horses are only special to ourselves. But although he challenges us and demands our best, he has never been unfair or abusive in any way. I would have no problem whatsoever walking away from that type of trainer. It’s very easy to buy into the hype and/or to not care for a certain type of personality – but it’s wrong to believe the worst when you don’t know the person or the situation.
1- Look for a lack of shame. Most sociopaths can commit vile actions and not feel the least bit of remorse. Such actions may include physical abuse or public humiliation of others.
Wow, PPappy. You just described yourself! :lol:
Still drinking the coolaide DownYonder, and still reading the thread. Its like watching a car wreck, just can’t help yourself. What do they call people like you ???
Yep, still watching it. As you are. But hounding CP or anyone else is not consuming my every waking moment, like it does you. And I am sure you know what they call people like you.
In 2009 I had a great opportunity of riding in a clinic with Cesar Parra. I couldn’t believe the vast improvement in my horse as well as myself in only one session. I then made the ultimate decision to travel from New York to NJ to train with him and even spent a whole season at his barn in Florida. Not only did he improve me as a rider but as a trainer so that I can be the best I could be for my students and client horses. I admire him And his staff at piaffe performance for the utmost extreme professionalism,team work and dedication to the sport of dressage and training. It is unfortunate what happen to William, I didn’t know him so I can’t comment. But I think we all know especially when it comes to horses there is no crystal ball or easy fix to a training problem. As majestic as they are Is as Unpredictable they can be. I believe in Cesar Parra that’s why I will continue to train and have my clients train with him. I love the results and improvements.
[QUOTE=DownYonder;7727766]
Yep, still watching it. As you are. But hounding CP or anyone else is not consuming my every waking moment, like it does you. And I am sure you know what they call people like you. ;)[/QUOTE]
I think that is a hysterical comment coming from someone that has almost 10,000 posts.
[QUOTE=Wind2mere;7727772]
In 2009 I had a great opportunity of riding in a clinic with Cesar Parra. I couldn’t believe the vast improvement in my horse as well as myself in only one session. I then made the ultimate decision to travel from New York to NJ to train with him and even spent a whole season at his barn in Florida. Not only did he improve me as a rider but as a trainer so that I can be the best I could be for my students and client horses. I admire him And his staff at piaffe performance for the utmost extreme professionalism,team work and dedication to the sport of dressage and training. It is unfortunate what happen to William, I didn’t know him so I can’t comment. But I think we all know especially when it comes to horses there is no crystal ball or easy fix to a training problem. As majestic as they are Is as Unpredictable they can be. I believe in Cesar Parra that’s why I will continue to train and have my clients train with him. I love the results and improvements.[/QUOTE]
I am curious how you as a client or anyone that has come on in his defense would address the claims that have been brought against his business practices. If even a portion of them are true. Why would you as a professional, subject your clients to that. The first thing that comes to mind in the Miranda case (which I thought this thread was about) is the issue of liability. Apparently, his barn agreement obsolves him of any liability whatsoever. Do you discuss those issues when your students train with him?
Over 14 years, ponypappy. And a wide variety of topics…
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