NEW Barisone Court Filing - 7/15/21

[LilRanger]

The civil suits aren’t going to change whether he’s found guilty of the criminal charges.

I don’t know what he is after with the 1983 case, if it isn’t money.

[Angela_Freda]

@JumpinQueen

Thanks goodnight ill catch up tomorrow and run it by my fb group and weigh in goodnight.

On the edge of my seat.

[eggbutt]

@Angela_Freda

@JumpinQueen

Thanks goodnight ill catch up tomorrow and run it by my fb group and weigh in goodnight.

On the edge of my seat.

Be nice!

[Fiesta01]

@MHM

In my family lore, there is a story of the time my mother went in for a regular parent teacher conference the day after a horse gave her two black eyes. It did not dawn on her until much later that the teacher thought there was a possibility of domestic abuse.

Ha! BTDT. Over the many years I was married, when I would arrive home from the barn with yet another horse-related bump or bruise, my DH would always tease me. Basically, “Great, now everyone is going to think I’m beating you, yet again.” (I bruise very easily, and he is the last man who would ever lift a hand to me or anyone).

[Jenerationx]

Yep… I remember being called down to the school nurse and questioned about multiple bumps and bruises. It turned out the nurse had been a rider too, and she let me come down there regularly for an ice pack or Bengay after that.

[CanteringCarrot]

@JumpinQueen

Thanks goodnight ill catch up tomorrow and run it by my fb group and weigh in goodnight.

I’ll ask again, what is this FB group you keep going on about?

You joined the forum solely to discuss this matter, which is fine, because it’s sort of interesting and crazy. Is your FB group the end all be all? When they “weigh in” are they the judge and jury? Were they at the event?

Really, I don’t care soo much about this group, it’s just so odd the way you talk about it. It basically doesn’t matter what some FB group or even what some internet forum (such as this one) says when you “run it by them” it matters what the legal system decides.

I don’t trust anyone on here or on some other group to tell the truth or be unbiased quite frankly. People are very strongly on one side or the other, for the most part.

I’m sure the almighty group is so enlightening. I hope the layers in all the cases reference this group! Seems like a quality source.

I’m being a bit rude, yes, but say weird things, get weird replies

[eggbutt]

I don’t understand why they don’t just discuss it all directly with LK on FB. Not being rude, but confused!

[CanteringCarrot]

Especially when they already have, what I’ll call, “a strong link” to her.

[LiberalSnowflake]

I’d be very surprised if there’s a “FB group”, but it’s certainly got everyone’s attention, and we all know who loves attention.

[BigMama1]

@ASB_Stars

This reminds me of the lyrics to a country song where they ask “what kind of gone”

It reminds me of a song that says “How can I miss you when you won’t go away?”

[Graymaresrule]

@BigMama1

It reminds me of a song that says “How can I miss you when you won’t go away?

It reminds me of my BSC in laws, but on this scale they weren’t so crazy after all

[YankeeDuchess]

@FitzE

Thank you for sharing your experience. That was very brave.

What you describe actually makes sense to me. Experiencing no recall of the high drama/trauma event is believable.

What is less believable is a perfect recall of ALL events INCLUDING the high drama/trauma event but, oh, wait, not recalling a routine event like making a phone call.

I know certain posters arent’ “interested in giving [their] opinion” on this and would rather deflect, pivot, whatabout, answer a question with a question, etc.

But, it is a distinction with a difference that one party claims to not recall the high conflict event while the other party not only claims to recall everything about the high conflict event PLUS claims perfect recall of everything else that happened before - oh, wait, except for one little thing as routine as a phone call. Remember that this recall is so reliable that we are all to trust that that party’s version of what happened is to be accepted, without question, as the definitive version.

coughyeahrightcough

Pull the other one, bells ring.

LK does not claim to recall “everything” about the shooting. She has said that she did not recall calling 911, although her 911 call exists.

That would be failing to remember a very important detail in the midst of the attempted murder.

@eggbutt is now claiming that she, @eggbutt, knows for a fact that Barisone’s lawyers know who called CPS, “and it wasn’t the police”, how would anyone know that it “wasn’t the police” unless they knew who is “was”?

It has been clarified by someone familiar with CPS that the person notifying them is not revealed by name, even to the courts. Even if she did notify CPS (there is no information that she did), why would LK out herself as the caller and give Barisone more ammunition that she were harassing him? So if it is “known” to Barisone’s lawyers that the call to CPS did not come from the police, as Eggbutt claims, the call to CPS probably came from a mandatory reporter like SS.

In my comparatively calm existence, I have, I think, perfect recall as to whether I have called CPS in any given week. (No, I haven’t.) However, given the overall level of tension (“This is war”) in the days before she was shot, combined with the fact that she remembered talking to someone about the children (SS), combined with the subsequent shooting, physical trauma, and induced coma, IMHO it is plausible that she “does not remember calling CPS”.

Based on the information from Eggbutt that the lawyers apparently know who did call CPS (and therefore know that it was not the police), I think it was SS, rather than LK who called CPS.

Are you criticizing her for saying she did not recall calling them rather than saying flat out that she didn’t call them? She knew she had talked to some agency regarding minors, and in light of the shooting, the trauma, the PTSD, and the coma she was supposed to be crystal clear on whether that conversation was with CPS, SS, or both?

How would you know whether LK did or did not call CPS or whether she clearly remembers whether or not she called them?

LKs version of the events of “the incident of Aug 7” are not so much “the definitive” version to be “accepted without question” as the “only” version, given that “the other party” has sworn that he now has no recollection of the events of the day. But perhaps Barisone being unable to recall his perception of and his role in “the incident of Aug 7” makes the one existing version the “definitive version” by default as Barisone is unable to offer any alternative.

I wonder if his statements to police when he was taken into custody immediately after the incident involved a similar lack of recall on the hours after the shooting. Presumably those police records will be used in all the trials.

[YankeeDuchess]

@JumpinQueen

@YankeeDuchess

But that is my point: he’s saying that the police reports systematically failed to record all of the provocations and threats he reported and that it is the fault of the police that he snapped and shot someone. His defense in the criminal trial will be an insanity defense, and he’s blaming the police (in addition to LK) for driving him to the edge, and also for failing to intervene to save a person on the verge of a mental breakdown from doing something horrific.

He is already counter suing LK in a civil suit for all her harassment; why sue the police unless it’s to impugn the police reports and attempt to say that things were much worse than reported

Is this the Ruth Cox that gave barisone the gun? How is there a suitonly against the police? Ruth seems capable of making a decision on a person’s sanity. Why are people ignoring this question… You have might have some insight that others ignore.

I think that “Ruth Cox” is a fairly common name, and I doubt that the Ruth Cox who (allegedly) provided the gun is an MD.

This latest civil suit is against not just the police, but against the municipality, Washington Township, and various public officials.

The Ruth Cox who (allegedly) provided the gun has criminal gun charges filed against her, and is the defendant in a civil suit brought by LK, and in a civil suit by the owners of the farm.

One of the issues that may be revealed in the trial is whether Cox knowingly provided the gun to Barisone, or whether she was negligent in leaving it around and Barisone used it without her explicit permission. I think she has considerable culpability either way, but it would be much worse if she handed it over knowing he was going to use it to shoot someone. Even if Barisone has no recall of the day of the shooting, if there was a plan for Cox to provide the gun, then I would think that supports premeditated attempted murder.

The filing states that Barisone was under the care of a psychiatric professional during the time span of the incidents, that he was mentally fragile (an eggshell), and that his high level of agitation and distress should have altered police to the impending mental breakdown.

While the barn manager Ruth Cox was not, as far as I know, a psychiatric professional, neither are the police. My question is why some other adult on the farm did not notice the impending mental breakdown and call the psychiatric professional Barisone was working with, or his primary care physician, or 911 if his mental fragility was known and this mental distress was so obvious.

[YankeeDuchess]

@JumpinQueen

Why would the police be more responsible than cox? Has barisone filed a suit against her ? In old post it is said that she gave him the gun and was arrested for it. Why is that not in the equation

Barisone has not filed suit against her, but she had criminal charges against her as well as civil suits by LK and SGF the then-owners of the farm.

[MHM]

@YankeeDuchess

Even if Barisone has no recall of the day of the shooting, if there was a plan for Cox to provide the gun, then I would think that supports premeditated attempted murder.

Or that he wanted to be able to protect himself from the dog that had already attacked RC.

[YankeeDuchess]

@eggbutt

I think she is asking why Barisone isn’t suing Cox for something…not recognizing or reporting his mental state or having him committed or something else.

An equal question is why Kanarek isn’t suing the PD for not stopping the shooting from happening! I mean she was in fear for her life and they did nothing to help her either obviously. Sounds like that PD let everyone down.

Kanarek is suing Barisone and Cox for the shooting, presumably because she holds them responsible rather than the police.

[YankeeDuchess]

@Mersidoats

You can be a doctor or nursing practice, which is not an MD: no internship, no residency, no boards. We don’t know that she gave anyone a gun, or even if she truly had one. That information is coming from one source only: Lauren. Police can be involved in committing someone temporarily under the Baker Act, but legal insanity is only determined but a court ordered psychologist or psychiatrist.

Cox certainly has been named in at least two other civil suits based on the allegation that it was her gun that was used in the shooting.

LK has said that Cox was criminally charged with a gun charge in NJ, but I think the upshot was that that could not be confirmed, even if true, because NJ does not make criminal charges public until after conviction.

[YankeeDuchess]

@MHM

@eggbutt

Please show the post that says she gave him the gun.

Or the post with independent confirmation that she was ever charged or arrested for anything.

Side note. I always have a brief internal struggle when I actually need to use the word confirmation instead of conformation. Lol.

When people searched for independent confirmation of LKs assertion that Cox had been criminally charged, wasn’t the upshot that NJ does not publicly post criminal charges until after conviction?

If that is the case, “independent confirmation” is not possible.

[YankeeDuchess]

@eggbutt

@Mersidoats

You can be a doctor or nursing practice, which is not an MD: no internship, no residency, no boards. We don’t know that she gave anyone a gun, or even if she truly had one. That information is coming from one source only: Lauren. Police can be involved in committing someone temporarily under the Baker Act, but legal insanity is only determined but a court ordered psychologist or psychiatrist.

Wait, recall just yesterday I believe @La-LaPopRider insisted I knew very well that RC had been charged, to which I responded, “Huh?” As normal LK behavior, she didn’t respond.

For the record, I have never met Ruth Cox, spoken with Ruth Cox, wouldn’t know her if she was standing in front of me, and know nothing about her other than what has been posted on these threads.

Lauren’s post from the CE thread last night.

Got news for you. Eggbutt is WELL aware that Ruth Cox has been charged of felony weapons offenses. Well, well well aware.

The only thing shocking about this thread, is nothing.

I’ve seen a few new names. Not shocking. Always a little strange …. But not shocking.
If even one sentence doesn’t align with your collective narratives, the poster will be bullied, told to “stay on topic,” (whatever the hell that is) or otherwise ignored completely. Not shocking.

When the 10 of you (more or less) become bored with yourselves on the bb, you begin arguing with yourselves! Hilarious! But……. Not shocking.

Where’s the big bad KNIGHT? Or his “mom.” She admittedly is always looking for a “fight.” She has repeated this ad nauseam, yet I never see her standing up to the bullies of this forum. Again- NOT shocking.

If you say you have never met Ruth Cox, I believe you, @eggbutt. But you have posted a number of things over the years that suggest to me that you know at least one of the principals (perhaps not Ruth Cox). Most recently, you posted that you knew that Barisone’s lawyers knew who made the CPS call “and it wasn’t the police”. How would you know that if you weren’t in communication with one of the principals? Since you seem to have private information about “what Barisone’s lawyers know”, I can certainly see how you might also know about criminal charges against Ruth Cox, even if you never met Ruth Cox.

[YankeeDuchess]

@JumpinQueen

@eggbutt

Are you serious? Are you having a serious discussion or simply being provocativ

Why are you being so rude? It was a serious question and you don’t want to have a discussion. It appears that seeking a logical explanation for whatever might be true events is not allowed here without getting jumped on. It has been you a few time already. Do you have skin in the game? You called me a newbie and sent me to read thousands of comments to get caught up. Turns out you have started a few yourself.

Re bolded. This has been my experience. A minority opinion, no matter how logical and civilly expressed, is considered provocative and inflammatory.