New filing on ecourts re MB

[3PonyFarm]

I think that part of the purchase price was continued training but I’m not sure about that. I’ve seen the person around town with the dog and it seems very well behaved but I know that breed has some challenges for the average person.

[DownYonder]

Please stop with the repeated political jabs. There is already plenty enough acrimony in the world and on this thread - no need to continually throw in little digs about various political figures. (white flag of truce)

[Mondo]

@TwiSedai

I do have to say, kudos to the owner that appears to have responsibly got a very well-bred, well-trained dog for a specific purpose and kept up with its training, with the trainer. I’ve seen too many people get Malinois and NOT use a good trainer. They assume they can do it all themselves and it doesn’t work out the way they thought it would. Sounds expensive AF, but effective.

Many years ago (before I had children and they’re in their 30’s now) I used to assist a dog trainer who specialized in police dogs and personal protection dogs. I got to wear the agitation suit sometimes and be the “bad guy.” Those dogs are amazing!

[MHM]

@Mondo

I got to wear the agitation suit sometimes and be the “bad guy.”

I’m thinking that had to be a little scary at times. Even with a suit.

[eggbutt]

@3PonyFarm

Maybe we could have eggbutt swing by his office with the big EIM bus so we could drop it off.

My pleasure along with a dozen Krispy Kreme doughnuts and 25 Munchins!

[hut-ho78]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

If SGF was dissolved in 2020, who owned the land when it was sold?

If SGF was dissolved in 2020, what is the entity that settled with LK last week?

You clearly don’t understand how this all works. The LLC was probably not dissolved in 2020 because they were in litigation. However that doesn’t mean they couldn’t have bought out whatever share MB owned when they sold the property, as per some possible terms agreed to in a confidential settlement, and continued on the SGF LLC (because of litigation) without Barisone.

LK placed the lawsuit prior to the dissolution of the LLC. All owners at the time of the placement of the lawsuit are protected in so far as the LLC has funds to cover any agreed damages. However, in the case of wrongdoing by a member and I don’t know how NGRI figures into this except it means the shooting was not a crime but MB can still be found civilly liable. Dissolution of the LLC after an incident and lawsuit does not protect the owners of the LLC from creditors. The Lundbergs did nothing wrong so long as they had no knowledge of MB’s dangerousness. MB is still involved. If memory serves MBD was the member of the LLC and I don’t think MB was a direct member. Either way, the wrong doing of a member of an LLC that is a member of another LLC can be brought into a lawsuit.

Moot point. They reached agreements. It’s done. Hopefully, MB is moving forward with treatment and can be released in the near or reasonably near future.

Great news for everyone.

[eggbutt]

Sure thing…don’t look at the news for the next few years! That’s all you’ll see. Now this (politics) is where CH can plant her theory of hate or whatever it was.

[3PonyFarm]

I was very impressed by the training of this dog. When I met it in person the owner instructed us how to interact around the dog and it was alert but not aggressive at all around us. We did not pet the dog. When it was out in public and other dogs were barking it seemed to ignore them.
I would think if you felt you needed the protection and had a lot of money to buy one, it would give you piece of mind.

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

If SGF was dissolved in 2020, who owned the land when it was sold?

If SGF was dissolved in 2020, what is the entity that settled with LK last week?

You clearly don’t understand how this all works. The LLC was probably not dissolved in 2020 because they were in litigation. However that doesn’t mean they couldn’t have bought out whatever share MB owned when they sold the property, as per some possible terms agreed to in a confidential settlement, and continued on the SGF LLC (because of litigation) without Barisone.

LK placed the lawsuit prior to the dissolution of the LLC. All owners at the time of the placement of the lawsuit are protected in so far as the LLC has funds to cover any agreed damages. However, in the case of wrongdoing by a member and I don’t know how NGRI figures into this except it means the shooting was not a crime but MB can still be found civilly liable. Dissolution of the LLC after an incident and lawsuit does not protect the owners of the LLC from creditors. The Lundbergs did nothing wrong so long as they had no knowledge of MB’s dangerousness. MB is still involved. If memory serves MBD was the member of the LLC and I don’t think MB was a direct member. Either way, the wrong doing of a member of an LLC that is a member of another LLC can be brought into a lawsuit.

Moot point. They reached agreements. It’s done. Hopefully, MB is moving forward with treatment and can be released in the near or reasonably near future.

Great news for everyone.

You are starting (well, way past starting) to embarrass yourself by showing just how much you know nothing about what you are talking about but yet you insist you have a clue.

Maybe believe yourself about that part where you say you are not a lawyer.

[iberianfan]

I just want to clarify that “LLC” stands for limited liability company. The point being: members of an LLC are protected from personal liabilty.

[SoCoPony]

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

A brief note on legal pleadings in general.

This is the caption:

It doesn’t change, absent a court order.

Michael Barisone could legally change his name to Krusty the Klown, the parties that make up SGF could be replaced by Mickey, Minnie and Pluto (or be dissolved entirely) and the caption remains the same.

Additionally, not every motion in a case addresses all the parties, even though that caption does.

So, if you sue an LLC in 2019, and that LLC ceases to exist ~2020, that does not change the caption in the 2019 lawsuit.

No, it doesn’t change the caption, but who is paying the award negotiated by Silver in 2023 if the LLC was dissolved in 2020?

Is it whoever was providing the liability insurance for 2019 when the shooting occurred, and the principal owners of the LLC as constituted when the shooting occurred or when the suit was filed?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@hut-ho78

The land was sold to a new owner when SGF was disbanded which may have gone back to the Lundberg who leased it sold it to the new occupants. However, the assets of SGF would have been held until the court case was settled.

LK filed the lawsuit shortly after the shooting which, either with a separate action or by itself, holds assets of all parties so they can’t sell property and hide money offshore, divorce a spouse and give them the assets, etc.

SGF was still partially owned by MB when the lawsuit was initiated so yes, those assets held for the court action were still coming from him

The court ruled otherwise and denied Lauren Kanarek’s request to stop the sale of assets in this specific case.

Order denying MB sale of assets.pdf (187.9 KB)

(My donation to GFM from yesterday covers this.)

That order applies to MB, not SGF LLC, which had millions of dollars in assets.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@iberianfan

I just want to clarify that “LLC” stands for limited liability company. The point being: members of an LLC are protected from personal liabilty.

Yes, but the assets titled in the LLC are vulnerable, and the farm was apparently titled in the LLC.

[Mondo]

@MHM

I’m thinking that had to be a little scary at times. Even with a suit.

It was! Especially since I weighed about 118 lbs. at the time. I got knocked down a lot when all the dog was supposed to be doing was grabbing my forearm.

[DownYonder]

@3PonyFarm

I was very impressed by the training of this dog. When I met it in person the owner instructed us how to interact around the dog and it was alert but not aggressive at all around us. We did not pet the dog. When it was out in public and other dogs were barking it seemed to ignore them.
I would think if you felt you needed the protection and had a lot of money to buy one, it would give you piece of mind.

My niece’s fiance trains dogs for the military and his take on Malinois and other highly driven breeds is this: You absolutely HAVE to understand how intensely driven they are to work and you cannot let the training and working aspect fall by the wayside at all. Otherwise they become insecure and unsure of their place in the world and can develop bad habits (some of which can have terrible consequences). The predator instinct in Malinois in particular is quite high and is reinforced/honed by guard dog training and tempered only by continual positive reinforcement of obedience skills and a good working partnership with their human. A guard-trained Malinois is absolutely NOT a dog for an owner who will have only a casual relationship with it.

[DownYonder]

@eggbutt

Sure thing…don’t look at the news for the next few years! That’s all you’ll see. Now this (politics) is where CH can plant her theory of hate or whatever it was

I hear you - it is frightening how much discord and fear-mongering there is on both sides of the aisle these days.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@hut-ho78

If memory serves MBD was the member of the LLC and I don’t think MB was a direct member. Either way, the wrong doing of a member of an LLC that is a member of another LLC can be brought into a lawsuit.

Laren never sued Michael Barisone Dressage, did she?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Nope. It was always an odd omission, in my opinion.

[cutter99]

@SoCoPony

I think this cat is channeling Mr. B!