New horse

[ChasPonyCat]

[QUOTE=Sarahfay94;8938694]
Would you like to see his papers? Would you like to see his relatives? He is every bit of it. And my uncle paid a lot just to purchase this horse. Hes simply trying to help me get a good start. Because he knows not only do i want a companion and trail horse but id eventually like a horse i can show.[/QUOTE]

Feel free to post bloodlines. I’m sure there’s someone here in COTHland who will be familiar with the lines.

You have to understand that these people are not trying to bully you, but people can only respond to what is written here because none of us know you in real life and anyone who has been around horses for years has seen bad, bad situations play out. Also, there is a heck of a lot of trolling that goes on around these parts. One needs something of a thick skin to post on COTH anyway…

[Sarahfay94]

[QUOTE=ChasPonyCat;8938709]
Feel free to post bloodlines. I’m sure there’s someone here in COTHland who will be familiar with the lines.

You have to understand that these people are not trying to bully you, but people can only respond to what is written here because none of us know you in real life and anyone who has been around horses for years has seen bad, bad situations play out. Also, there is a heck of a lot of trolling that goes on around these parts. One needs something of a thick skin to post on COTH anyway…;)[/QUOTE]

Yes ive noticed. There are quite a few people feeling the need to troll every single thing i post. And a lot of the stuff said here has not even been about my oroginal post. Its been about making fun of me and simply looking for someone to start crap with me. And you know what im done with it. The one person who wanted to keep trolling me i just put on my ignore list. Not worth my time or energy.

[danceronice]

[QUOTE=Sarahfay94;8938694]
Would you like to see his papers? Would you like to see his relatives? He is every bit of it. And my uncle paid a lot just to purchase this horse. Hes simply trying to help me get a good start. Because he knows not only do i want a companion and trail horse but id eventually like a horse i can show.[/QUOTE]

My horse is American Pharoah’s “cousin” (same direct female family within 5 generations, which is about as far back as any breed can go in to affect value.) As a gelding he’s worth more than carcass weight only because he’s proven child-safe, newbie-safe, and is reasonably sound. His bloodlines mean nothing because geldings have no breeding value. If the horse has done nothing himself, he’d need to be from spectacularly rare bloodlines of extreme recent value to be worth money as a stallion and then his only value is in passing those along. As a gelding, he’s worth only what his personal performance dictates, and the older he gets, the lower that start value becomes. 13 is extremely late for a breed show career for himself. If he’s been used for breeding, what titles do his offspring have in what Arabian disciplines?

[Laurierace]

[QUOTE=Sarahfay94;8938694]
Would you like to see his papers? Would you like to see his relatives? He is every bit of it. And my uncle paid a lot just to purchase this horse. Hes simply trying to help me get a good start. Because he knows not only do i want a companion and trail horse but id eventually like a horse i can show.[/QUOTE]

Horses depreciate as they age. He may have been worth that as a youngster but as an unbroken 13 year old he is worth nothing. You figure it takes five years to get a horse up to speed, out and about. You have time for that at 3, you don’t at 13. A 13 year old is not just going to go with the flow, especially when left intact so long. The ship has sailed on this one unfortunately. The people in his life failed him in a major way and there is no turning back the clock.

[Sarahfay94]

I dont know how to upload images here.
But ali was sired by “saareef” a top ten Egyptian event champion
Dam is “sl Alicia”
He is the grandson of the “Hayada el tareef” united states and canadian top 10 stallion, and Egyptian event supreme champion
He also supports bloodlines of the anasta and imperial studs

[Nootka]

Sire
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=SAAREEF&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=

Maybe Dam
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sl+alicia

Found some info that Saareef himself was being sold for $2500 back in 2008 but owner found someone to lease him in TX and wanted him back in 2010. Seems she couldn’t afford to ship him home at that time. Wonder where he ended up?

[Pennywell_Bay]

[QUOTE=Sarahfay94;8938694]
Would you like to see his papers? Would you like to see his relatives? He is every bit of it. And my uncle paid a lot just to purchase this horse. Hes simply trying to help me get a good start. Because he knows not only do i want a companion and trail horse but id eventually like a horse i can show.[/QUOTE]

Here is my suggestion. Take it for what it is worth (free) but from a place of sincerity and experience.

Find a horse that is broke, in that age range, close to your area that you can learn, grow, ride and eventually show: a lower level schoolmaster type. Then, in the future, when you have some years of horse ownership under your belt consider a situation like has been presented to you (or not, after owning one you may understand what people are trying to say).

There are tons of threads on here that free horses are rarely “free”, especially in situations kind of like you describe. The horse is going to need training, you will need training (we all do), lessons, trailering, a vet, farrier, trainer you trust. These things quickly add up. And unforeseen vet bills, potential issues with throughout training/breaking.

I promise you that you will be happier if you find a horse to learn on. An unbroken, 13 year old recently gelded horse is not one I would recommend to most amateurs (me, being one of them).

I wish you sincere luck and hope you take everything into consideration.

[MoreHorsesThanSense]

Sarahfay,

bloodlines are important in:
–very young horses who aren’t undersaddle yet, to indicate what level of performance they may eventually achieve
–breeding horses (broodmares and stallions)

I’m sure Ali is a lovely, beautiful horse. However his value (20K or whatever based on conformation and bloodlines) is only applicable as a breeding stallion. Other posters aren’t being mean, but a 13yo unbroke or greenbroke registered gelding is generally worth less than $2000, because bloodlines don’t matter in a mature gelding: only performance record does, and Ali doesn’t have one.

I don’t think the majority of posters are deliberately being insulting. But I think many are worried about your safety. Riding a kid-safe trail horse regularly compared to a barely-broke former-stallion, is equivalent to riding a 1-speed with training wheels, compared to motorcross.
If you have a VERY good trainer riding the horse and helping you (via regular lessons), it is possible that this may work out. However, I think other posters feel that for the same money it costs to drive XX miles round trip to pick up Ali, and then pay for the QUALIFIED professional to help you with Ali, you probably could have picked up a more suitable, ready-to-ride-right-away horse closer to home.

As for spelling and grammar, it can be hard to do those on a smart phone. However, they do make posts easier to read, and lend credibility to the poster.

I wish you the best of luck, and want nothing more than to hear followup posts about how well Ali is doing in his new home, and how easy he is for your trainer to ride, and fun and safe for you. I think this scenario tends to be the exception, rather than the norm, but if you have a highly qualified trainer working with you both daily, and time and money to invest, then it is possible.

[Sarahfay94]

Also he hasnt sat there and done nothing. Hes been a breeding stallion. Has produced several beautiful foals and theyve sold for quite a pretty penny. His bloodlines is not what matters to me. Yeah i think its cool to look at his papers and see his relatives and know where he came from. But the reason i want this horse is because i want a horse i can work on. I would still go get him if he was a $5 horse. This horse is special to me.

[Foxglove6]

And you have a trainer lined up to get your new horse rideable? You need to arrange that before you go pick him up.

[ladyj79]

Earlier in the thread he was a 10k horse.

His value is already appreciating!

[Reynard]

[QUOTE=Foxglove6;8938787]
And you have a trainer lined up to get your new horse rideable? You need to arrange that before you go pick him up.[/QUOTE]

As well as having the facilities to keep him away from mares.

[adelmo95]

If you like him and feel comfortable handling him on the ground and would be ok with the prospect of him being a lawn ornament if things don’t go as planned then you should go for it. I will echo what others have said in that things might not be easy.

Almost a year ago now I purchased an unstarted 10 year old Trakehner gelding as a project. He has the who’s who of Trakehner’s in his pedigree including a sire that was stallion of the year in Germany in I believe 2001, jumped to grand prix and has produced numerous grand prix dressage and jumpers. This one was imported as a stallion prospect but was later gelded and then just left for years. So at 10 years he was halter broke but that was the extent of his training. I have been able to get him going well undersaddle however without question would say he was the toughest horse I have had to start. Lessons that would take a youngster 3 or 4 rides to accept took months and a happy medium of patience and discipline to accomplish. After a year he is still more opinionated than the average horse and I think some of it stems from so many years getting to do whatever he wanted.

Do I enjoy riding and working with my guy, definitely! However would I trust him with a beginner rider NOPE! Can I safely trail ride him yes, would I ever try to make it his career, NO! Do I regret my decision to get him, as a resale project perhaps not the best choice, for the daily enjoyment he brings me when I go ride I don’t regret it although there were days I did question my sanity early on.

I am not saying that your guy will turn out the way my gelding did however would caution you to not set your hopes too high on turning a former breeding stallion into a trail horse. Things may work out, they may not. If you want a project a safer bet would be to find a nice quiet young quarter horse with a solid start.

[ChasPonyCat]

[QUOTE=Sarahfay94;8938777]
Also he hasnt sat there and done nothing. Hes been a breeding stallion. Has produced several beautiful foals and theyve sold for quite a pretty penny. His bloodlines is not what matters to me. Yeah i think its cool to look at his papers and see his relatives and know where he came from. But the reason i want this horse is because i want a horse i can work on. I would still go get him if he was a $5 horse. This horse is special to me.[/QUOTE]

I’m trying to wrap my head around why this horse in particular is so special to you. Is it because he is coming from your uncle? As far as I can tell, you haven’t met the horse before?

The posters who advise you use the money spent on hauling, etc. to invest in a horse nearer you that is already trained are not picking on you, and that is not bad advice. You seem very fixated on it needing to be this horse, though, and I’m trying to understand why.

[Nootka]

He is being gelded now… and she picks him up in the spring. OF course that = no stud behavior… NOT

He has been a stallion for 13yrs he may still act very studly for long after you bring him home. If you have decided not to get the mare… pic a gelding. Hopefully, Ali wasn’t raised in solitude like so many Arabian stallions. You may find that you can’t turn him out with other horses… EVER. He seems to be an Egyptian Arabian too… hopefully not halter

Just remember… horses aren’t born being broke. You have to do it yourself and it is a very fine line communication. Hopefully, your trainer has agreed to breaking a 13yr old newly gelded horse.

[Reynard]

He can’t be ridden.

Ali is an excellent and trainable stallion. His bloodlines are impeccable, but he was injured at birth, which caused some deformity to his right front leg.

Beautiful horse.

[barnchick277]

In googling Ali Saareef this popped up:

http://www.elowrah.com/private-treaty-news/

Looks like he might have a deformity due to an injury at birth?

ETA: Oops! Looks like Reynard already found that

[ybiaw]

Well, whatever. Do what you want.

A bumper pull trailer would be fine. Goosenecks are a little more solid to pull, imo, but a BP is fine. You MUST have a good pulling vehicle. Like an F250 or similar.

You’ll need to make sure you have trailer insurance and a roadside assistance service before you make the trip to go get these horses.

As far as supplies down the line, you’ll need boots, wraps, saddles, saddle pads, extra stirrup leathers, bridles, extra bridle pieces, bits, grooming supplies, fly spray, sheets, blankets, bandages, wound care, etc. Basically anything that you’d need for any horse, which is something you should already know.

And also, life insurance.

[Sarahfay94]

This horse is special to me for many reasons. And i dont care what it takes to make him a trail horse. And yes i am perfectly fine with him being a “lawn ornament” if he absolutely cannot be broke to ride. My uncle is confident that he can be trained to ride. Hes already got him saddle broke. And he will help brake him in to ride before we come get him. Hes aware of where he will go and everything and knows that he will get nothing but the best care possible. I already have a farrier lined up, still deciding between vets, and aside from us training him i have been talking to a few horse trainers about what itd take to get him rideable and help with training. None have turned us down for him being a retired gelded stallion. I will not sit here and continue to argue with everyone. If you have real helpful advice pertaining to the original post please feel free to comment. Otherwise i will not respond to anymore negative remarks. Thank you. Good day.

[Nootka]

[QUOTE=barnchick277;8938827]
In googling Ali Saareef this popped up:

http://www.elowrah.com/private-treaty-news/

Looks like he might have a deformity due to an injury at birth?

ETA: Oops! Looks like Reynard already found that[/QUOTE]

ohhhh good find. I missed that