New Organization- United Dressage Jumping Club (UDJC)

[Janet]

@OverandOnward

Sounds like Combined Training … but maybe structured with more flexibility

I think you mean “Combined Test”, not “Combined Training”

A “Combined Test” is a competition with a Dressage phase and a Show Jumping Phase. You combine the scores (using Eventing scoring) for your final result.

“Combined Training” is the old name for the sport that was also called “Three Day Eventing”, and is now called “Eventing”, with THREE phases: Dressage, Cross Country, and Show Jumpimg. The oranization that is now called “US Eventing Association” (USEA) was founded as “US Combined Training Association” (USCTA), and was called USCTA for over 40 years.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Thanks for weighing in here.

I love the idea of expanding Combined Test opportunities, beyond just local schooling shows. I saw this thread though, and wondered why someone interested in this idea wouldn’t simply work with USEA to develop this concept further.

I don’t know. It just seems like this would fit well under the USEA umbrella.

[wtxhunter]

I just paid $590 for a 3 day non rated schooling show in Texas. With all the fee’s $$ I’m truly shocked how Americans can develop young horses here. I wish this organization all the success!

[Jump314]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

It just seems like this would fit well under the USEA umbrella.

It would cost more if run under USEA.

[UDJClub]

Hey, we’ll also tackle cross country at some point, but not under any USEF umbrellas… We haven’t forgotten you eventers It’s just a lot and we can’t do everything at the same time!

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@UDJClub

Hey, we’ll also tackle cross country at some point, but not under any USEF umbrellas… We haven’t forgotten you eventers It’s just a lot and we can’t do everything at the same time!

USEA is separate and distinct from USEF. I understand the argument to establish good show series that are not under the USEF umbrella… but I am a bit more confused about what the issue is with USEA.

Most recognized events with USEA are actually pretty affordable… especially if you don’t need to arable overnight.

Don’t get me wrong - I think the idea of having more combined test offerings, and an actual focus on that as its own discipline is a great thing, for a number of reasons. I just am a little confused as to why not partner with USEA to do this.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Jump314

It would cost more if run under USEA.

Recognized events with USEA aren’t all that expensive if you trailer in and it’s a one day event. Definitely not when compared to USDF shows, hunter jumper shows, or FEI events.

Sure… unrecognized schooling shows can be cheaper. But… does someone really need to create a new organization to promote unrecognized schooling shows?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@wtxhunter

I just paid $590 for a 3 day non rated schooling show in Texas. With all the fee’s $$ I’m truly shocked how Americans can develop young horses here. I wish this organization all the success!

YIKES.

In Area 2, there are plenty of unrecognized events and small jumper schooling shows that are $250 or lower.

[Xanthoria]

I recently went to a “schooling one day event” at one of our larger facilities and it was in the region of $500 to enter and use a stall for one night. Not including gas to go 3.5 hrs each way. I did 2 dressage tests and one show jumping round (no xc was offered at my height - M). BUT we have to support our few and far between event facilities here…

Anyway, once again: I highly support this venture and hope you’re able to keep the costs down.

[Janet]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

USEA is separate and distinct from USEF.

USEA is officially an “Affiliate” of USEA, and all the competition rules are USEF rules. So not exactly “separate and disticnt”.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Gotcha. Thanks for that clarification. That’s fair.

[atr]

So is the plan to offer separate dressage and jumper classes at a show, or combined classes? (Speaking as a “mature” dressage rider who doesn’t jump things any longer…)

[IPEsq]

My impression was the classes would be separate, not CT.

[wtxhunter]

Nice to know your dollar can go further elsewhere a girl can dream

[Fiesta01]

@OverandOnward

Sounds like Combined Training … but maybe structured with more flexibility?

And more rarely, a combined test can be dressage and cross country.

[UDJClub]

yes, the classes are separate. we offer dressage and jumping classes, divisions are combined though, so in order to be part of a division you’d have to ride specific dressage and jumping classes…

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@UDJClub

yes, the classes are separate. we offer dressage and jumping classes, divisions are combined though, so in order to be part of a division you’d have to ride specific dressage and jumping classes…

This is an interesting idea! Sooooo… ribbons for individual classes, but also placings relative to a division? Almost like a hunter show where there are flat and over fences classes?

[Chestnut24]

I can see where the motivation comes from to try to get a show circuit going more like in Germany, where entry fees might cost $15-$20 per class, are well organized, and are much more accessible to riders of different (economic) backgrounds, for sure!

The only thing is, in Germany shows are usually hosted by the barn’s ‘Verein’, or a club of people at each barn, who basically all pitch in to clean up and prepare the barn for the show, and volunteer their time to work the ring, do the jumps, pick up the poops, give out the ribbons, assist the judges etc.

In order to even compete, you have to be a member of a ‘verein’, which sort of structurally entails that everyone is helping out at some level (even if some vereins require more work than others )

I can’t see how it might be possible to keep show costs down without this type of built-in helping out system that is so central to Germany’s showing, at least on the regional levels.

[Peggy]

The Oaks in SoCal runs “no shows” with classes starting at crossrails and going up to maybe 1.1-1.2 m. When I did one last summer there were hunter and jumper courses set at the same height, and you went in and did your thing. Then they move on to the next height. You can do multiple rounds at the same height. Entries are $30 a ride with no additional fees. You can get entry fee credits by volunteering. But, no ribbons or prizes or points or show record. I think it is a bit of a labor of love for the Ridlands.

[Janet]

@Fiesta01

And more rarely, a combined test can be dressage and cross country.

Or Cross Country and Show Jumping.