Sure there would be - stallions who competed, did well, then died before breeding.
Mares are being cloned - they weren’t “neutered” 
New pics:
http://southwindfarms.net/images/2011/Geminimoving-shot-1.jpg
http://southwindfarms.net/images/2011/Gemini-moving-shot2.jpg
http://southwindfarms.net/images/2011/Geminiheadshot.jpg
…anddddd, he now has (an as of yet undisclosed) mare in foal to him!!!
Gem Twist babies, whoopee!! 
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New pics:
http://southwindfarms.net/images/2011/Geminimoving-shot-1.jpg
http://southwindfarms.net/images/2011/Gemini-moving-shot2.jpg
http://southwindfarms.net/images/2011/Geminiheadshot.jpg
…anddddd, he now has (an as of yet undisclosed) mare in foal to him!!!
Gem Twist babies, whoopee!! :)[/QUOTE]
Crazy question does anyone have any pictures of Gem Twist at that age to compare with? How similar is he to his host?
Wow. VERY handsome boy and looks to be growing up very nicely. Can’t wait to see more, and start seeing his foals…
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his host?[/QUOTE]
…he’s not an alien spore, lol. Gem’s his progenitor, not host body.
And keep in mind, clones very rarely (if ever) have the same markings as their progenitors, so that’s one thing to keep in mind. Also, his musculature (particularly around the neck and shoulders) may be a bit more advanced/developed, having been left in tact. So that could alter the look as well.
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…he’s not an alien spore, lol. Gem’s his progenitor, not host body.
And keep in mind, clones very rarely (if ever) have the same markings as their progenitors, so that’s one thing to keep in mind. Also, his musculature (particularly around the neck and shoulders) may be a bit more advanced/developed, having been left in tact. So that could alter the look as well.[/QUOTE]
No need to explain simply asking how similar they are in phenotype also wasn’t the original gelded around this age because he was a bit ruckus. So up to this point they should be like I said similar in pheno type.
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So up to this point they should be like I said similar in pheno type.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, but what better aspect of physical expression in an equine than their markings?? …which are of a nature geneticists still don’t completely understand.
Hence the point of my (admittedly simplistic) overview, for others who might not have been aware.
At the TB Genetics and Performance symposium last weekend, a geneticist is reported to have said that white markings are 2/3 genetic and 1/3 environmental.
Wow, that’s interesting, Viney - in what way environmental?
The environment of the womb
I wish people would stop saying that.
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Thank you Mr Chapot for giving us the opportunity to breed to the best TB in our sport’s history.[/QUOTE]
And for boosting the interest in US bred jumpers. (finally !)
BTW, is Gemini registered ? I didn’t think that JC, etc. accepted clones.
Or is there a registry that does ?
If he’s not registered, how will offspring get papers ?
I read somewhere that Gemini is registered A.E.S.
What’s the average life expectancy on the clones to date? I realize that the data sample is small, however I’ve also “heard” that the clones, in general, are not long lived. Comments?
I will admit (as I’m sure many other horse owners will attest), when I knew that we had to put Cielo down, I mentally ran through what I could do to come up with the money to clone him.
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however I’ve also “heard” that the clones, in general, are not long lived. Comments?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, back in the '90s… but they’ve come a long way toward nixing that.
The problem then, was that it was so much easier to clone mammary tissue (Dolly the sheep, for example, was from an udder cell) but they’d have problems with severe premature aging.
One way they’ve really sorted that out is by cloning from epithelial tissue, which behaves much more akin to stem-cells. Gemini was closed from epithelial cells underneath Gem’s chest, and that seems to have worked wonderfully.
We’re also seeing much less issues with unusually-bent legs, and cartilage issues, as well. Much less.
Let’s see some free jumping! Enough of the confo shots
I know the original article from this thread was several years old… but…
The mental image of Frank Chapot sitting in a rocking chair on the porch in Carhartts and work gloves while watching his baby makes me smile.
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…he’s not an alien spore, lol. Gem’s his progenitor, not host body.
And keep in mind, clones very rarely (if ever) have the same markings as their progenitors, so that’s one thing to keep in mind. Also, his musculature (particularly around the neck and shoulders) may be a bit more advanced/developed, having been left in tact. So that could alter the look as well.[/QUOTE]
I dunno Synn, I heard about this cloning business before. I think Donald Sutherland wrote a book on it. They take some kinda pod and put it in the horse’s stall…
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Let’s see some free jumping! Enough of the confo shots[/QUOTE]
Can I get an Amen?!
Well Frank originally said he wanted his daughter to have a horse with Olympic potential, so better get moving… wonder if he was thinking 2016 or 2020?
Ha!
