Agreed, he certainly is!
OT, but the Chapots bred a registered TB mare named Harven from Good News Joe out of a Babamist mare with Noble Jay as damsire and a double in the dam to Babamist’s 2nd dam, Beaubabs. Beaubabs was by Gino, one of the greatest sport horse sire lines in history. He is in Dr. Birdsall with no fewer than six different get of both sexes breeding down the generations. There actually are more, but Dr. Birdsall cut out after only 4 generations. Gino seemed to be a very consistent line for jumping talent.
Anyone know what happened to Harven? Did she breed on? Talk about a dam with eventing potential!
BFNE, I can’t find Anaconda in any of the pedigree databases. Not the JC, not Sporthorse Breed, not Allbreed. Do you know her breeding?
Anaconda comes from the Agram line. You can find a fabulous couple of photos of her in Werner Schockemohle’s “Der Grossen Hengste Hannovers.”
Is Gemini expecting any foals?
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Yes. He’s got at least one mare already in foal to him. I don’t think the details have yet/ever been made public though.
I will likely be selling my Galoubet mare who is out of an International GP mare who would probably be a good fit 
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She is a lovely Tb showjumper and is due end of March.
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I’m pretty sure the QH stallion that was shown and was proven to not acctually be a QH appendix was TB stallion Bett Ohio![/QUOTE]
It was Bett Ohio.
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No…just that she wasn’t TB. She could jump a big fence but was supposedly pretty tough.
I do remember a very young one by Joe out of a Babamist mare—that might be the one you are looking for. (Frank tried to sell her to me but I didn’t have the funds). It was only a yearling when I knew it and had a habit of jumping out of the field. Not very big but was clearly going to have some jumping talent;)
They had another really cool mare called Star Twist. I knew her as a young horse and she was pretty special. Out of a Good Twist mare by Starman. I think I saw that it looks like she was bred to Royal Kaliber and the resulting offspring also looks special (not surprisingly).
The Chapots have always had an outstanding breeding program but primarily breed for performance horses. You don’t see them out there doing a lot of marketing because they don’t have too:cool: They always had some good TB lines and appreciated a good TB.
Considering the preference for WBs in the hunter/jumper/eq ring that has happened over the past 10-15 years, do you think he will be as popular as a breeding stallion as he would have been 20 years ago?
Just an honest question, not trying to strike any matches or anything…
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Considering the preference for WBs in the hunter/jumper/eq ring that has happened over the past 10-15 years, do you think he will be as popular as a breeding stallion as he would have been 20 years ago?
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Crossed on some suitable WB mares would be a very marketable. Only thing stopping me is the whole FEI approval thing.
She has had a few foals. The oldest is 9 and by Oh Star, and 8 year old by Royal Kaliber and a 7 year old By Conquest. There are some others but I don’t know anything about them. I believe there is a Bratt Z, Quidam de Revel and a Robin Z.
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I’m pretty sure the QH stallion that was shown and was proven to not acctually be a QH appendix was TB stallion Bett Ohio![/QUOTE]
This horse was also : http://www.parkerfarms.com/oldsitefiles/sneakpreview.htm
Actually won a big 2 year old futurity before it was discovered.
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If he proves to be a good sire I would wager that this fact will make him more desirable. (I am curious how registration or lack of will affect breeding?)
To everyone expressing interest in breeding to him
http://www.chadofarms.com/ Click on Gemini.
They list contact info for those interested in breeding (national and international contacts) 
As has been mentioned many times he is registered with the AES so offspring are eligible for registry papers.
I’m told he is also nominated for the IJF so those offspring can get IJF paperwork.
It is very questionable if him or his offspring are not eligible for FEI competition. One poster says he isn’t but there is nothing on the FEI website to say clones aren’t eligible. Frank Chapot has a lot of influence.
wBFSH does not bar clones, they leave it up to the registry
There are very few FEI jumper events in the US and the odds of a horse getting to that level are slim.
If a horse gets to GP level USEF does not bar clones so the horse or his offspring can be shown in most of the GP classes in the US.
Trouble is that I’m breeding primarily for event horses (my discards will be nice jumpers and dressage horses). I want to cross good jumping TB lines on my WB and WB/cross mares. We hit FEI levels fairly early in eventing and even an average event horse can compete at FEI levels. So that issue needs to be crystal clear for me before I take the plunge as it would significantly limit the marketability of an event horse. I’ll see if I can find the ruling but it was fairly recent…all the media says it is a policy rule from 2007 that has not yet been changed. Hard rule to enforce but I wouldn’t want to count on it breeding for sale.
But if anyone can get it resolved…Frank can.
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As has been mentioned many times he is registered with the AES so offspring are eligible for registry papers.
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I am wondering if this is actual fact of just hearsay? I can not find any evidence that he is registered or approved for breeding by any registry. Of course, I could easily be overlooking something and would love a link to proof that he is indeed registered, and approved for breeding. Chadofarms.com doesn’t indicate any registry and Gemini’s SBS page doesn’t indicate any registry; or potential for offspring’s registration. http://www.selectbreeders.com/stallions/3121-gemini#overview-section
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That being said, I now see that I should have been more specific in my earlier post. I do wonder how registration (AES/IJF?) OR lack of registration (SF/GOV/AHS/etc.) will affect popularity. With this comment I’m more focused on lack of registration with the popular warmblood registries that are so prevalent with US sporthorse breeders.
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Just speculating now, I wonder how many registries and organizations that don’t currently allow clones will change their rules within the next 10 years? Gemini is not the only spectacular clone out there with a potential demand for upper level showing and for breeding.
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According to Mary Chapot it’s fact.
He’s not listed at the AES Studbook pages linked here:
http://www.angloeuropeanstudbook.info/studcards.htm
If you care, you might contact AES directly.
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Considering the preference for WBs in the hunter/jumper/eq ring that has happened over the past 10-15 years, do you think he will be as popular as a breeding stallion as he would have been 20 years ago?
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As I was watching the video in the original post, I considered the same thing. What would make this horse more popular than the popular warmblood lines?
The answer, I think, lies in that video! When I watched it, I asked myself why he was different from your average warmblood GP horse today, and what made him the ridiculously successful jumper he was in his day.
Gem Twist had an absolutely AMAZING economy of jump that you don’t often see in the “freaky” warmblood jumpers today. In that video, you see him clearly and consistently jump over every fence with almost the same exact amount of clearance over every fence (maybe 6-9"?).
There was one jump where he was a tiny bit long and you see him extend his forelegs forward/up minutely to adjust and stay clean over the jump, adjusting in mid-air. He simply lifted all his legs up a tad to give himself the clearance he needed.
To see a horse navigate so calmly, efficiently and consistently over a course is a true thing of beauty. That’s just plain talent.
I used to watch GP after GP growing up, and at my first eventing clinic with Jim Graham he asked me what my goal was. I piped up, “I want to be a Grand Prix jumper rider!” Alas, there were not instructors of that type in my area to be had.
I am not a showjumper and only rarely sit down to watch a Grand Prix these days, but in the few I’ve watched online or on ESPN recently (or videos of the WEG, etc) I just haven’t seen that kind of consistent, clean technique. I’ve seen some freaky-talented jumpers that clear some fences by multiple feet, and then the same horses will get a bad distance or misjudge and just drub through a fence later in the course.
So to answer your question, I think that is what Gemini Twist will have to offer that lots of warmbloods don’t have.
