Posted by Tha Ridge:
Don’t you think that an Olympic horse is competing under a much different stress load than a pony jumping a 2’3" course?
Stress is stress. Ponies are shorter, so the jumps are shorter, too :winkgrin:.
[QUOTE=KellyS;6754596]
I think the 12-hour cutoff for drug administration should pertain to all medications and drugs. No competition horse/pony should be stuck 2 hours prior to a class to receive anything.[/QUOTE]
Yes, yes, yes!!!
For all you legal eagles…how many states have anti-SLAPP laws?
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I’m curious as to the name of the vet that prescribed and approved that long, long, long list of meds that Humble was to receive at Devon during that short time.
[QUOTE=amberhill;6754421]
after the july 21 letter was sent to keating, no further requests for information were received from usef until nov 26 when they requested the final report which was immediately produced and said the same thing as what had already been given to them.[/QUOTE]
forgot to include the links to the USEF correspondence, Williams threats and other statements and affidavits in my defense:
http://amberhillponies.com/Amber_Hill_Farm/Necropsy_and_Toxicology.html
http://amberhillponies.com/Amber_Hill_Farm/USEF_Williams.html
[QUOTE=Freebird!;6754574]
While I think think this pony was getting way too many drugs, getting Legand - and Adaquan - the day of competition is fairly normal practice. [/QUOTE]
Quick question: is it normal to give Legend AND Adequan? I always thought you gave one or the other.
Keep googling EM. You’re not shocking anyone. We all know who Laurierace is…she signs her posts with her website too.
Google Laurie’s name and you come up with a few pages…mainly all about her business (no bad press) and one blog crabbing that she outed someone for shady business in an attempt to protect horses.
Now Google YOUR name. :eek:
Reams of pages…mostly about you being sued for screwing people over, you sueing John and Jane Dohs for not kissing your hiney, you attempting to promote yourself, you being suspended, you killing a pony, you griping on multiple BBs about people not kissing yoour hiney and mentioning your lack of experience, you starting ad running a business that promotes and financially supports puppy mills with obviously bad practices of breeding and selling sick animals, etc.
Huh. Guess you showed Laurie! Way to go! :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Darkwave;6754641]
Quick question: is it normal to give Legend AND Adequan? I always thought you gave one or the other.[/QUOTE]
Very. Especially for an important show like Devon. Most people keep a regular adequan schedule and use legend show-by-show, but for a show like that you would adjust your adequan schedule if necessary to get the peak effect. And some of those that don’t usually double their legend for regular shows do so for Devon.
Very. Especially for an important show like Devon. Most people keep a regular adequan schedule and use legend show-by-show, but for a show like that you would adjust your adequan schedule if necessary to get the peak effect. And some of those that don’t usually double their legend for regular shows do so for Devon.
Oddly enough…medicating horses is usually recommended and dosed based on each individual animal’s immediate health needs as opposed to how important each show may be.
But then that’s when moral vets do the medicating as opposed to owners, trainers and riders attempting to make uneducated medical decisions based on possible projected income or ribbon placings. :sigh:
[QUOTE=MistyBlue;6754657]
Keep googling EM. You’re not shocking anyone. We all know who Laurierace is…she signs her posts with her website too.
Google Laurie’s name and you come up with a few pages…mainly all about her business (no bad press) and one blog crabbing that she outed someone for shady business in an attempt to protect horses.
Now Google YOUR name. :eek:
Reams of pages…mostly about you being sued for screwing people over, you sueing John and Jane Dohs for not kissing your hiney, you attempting to promote yourself, you being suspended, you killing a pony, you griping on multiple BBs about people not kissing yoour hiney and mentioning your lack of experience, you starting ad running a business that promotes and financially supports puppy mills with obviously bad practices of breeding and selling sick animals, etc.
Huh. Guess you showed Laurie! Way to go! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
according to my coth sources, she also ALLEGEDLY got in a lot of trouble with CANTER for trying to donate a horse off the track with fractures that she didn’t disclose. don’t have a link for that though.
[QUOTE=CBoylen;6754658]
Very. Especially for an important show like Devon. Most people keep a regular adequan schedule and use legend show-by-show, but for a show like that you would adjust your adequan schedule if necessary to get the peak effect. And some of those that don’t usually double their legend for regular shows do so for Devon.[/QUOTE]
Funny, considering there is research out there that indicates a negating effect they have on each other when administered concurrently. Additionally, studies show that the dosage effect of doubling does NOTHING to help the horse, given that sodium hyaluronate only affects the synovial membrane and not the cartilage.
Glad to know that there are some very uneducated trainers, vets, officials and riders out there. Then again, Gamboa was once (and still is in certain circles) considered a top vet.
[QUOTE=Tha Ridge;6753992]
Yes, it was a very nice pony. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL5oTlVKo1o[/QUOTE]
Very cute pony and not to derail a serious conversation, but that fake tail looks like it weighs more than the poor pony does. :eek:
nope, many horses get both, and at least a few years ago, a common vet recommended protocol was to give 1 shot of adequan and legend every 2 weeks, alternating (i.e., monthly shot adequan, monthly shot of legend, just not at the same time). That may have changed since the preferred administration of adequan is the 7/4 method.
Making an issue out of adequan/legend given the day of/day before the show is to hugely miss the point, and probably doesn’t help the real issue by creating a nice little diversion (seriously, pat yourselves on the backs). Also while that daily meds list was impressive… guess what? It was legal under the therapeutic rule. What point is there in trashing a single person (who has plenty of other issues and problems that need addressing) over a practice which you may not like, but is part of the legally accepted medications in the rule. The “fix” for THAT problem is to become a member and lobby for change. If you aren’t doing either of those things then you are having a faulkneresque moment (Sound. Fury. Signifying nothing). Route of administration of said drugs? Really? Who cares unless that route creates a very specific condition that violates the rules (i.e., oral vs. IV Mg).
On the other hand, the inability of the organization to address the death of an animal at one of their sanctioned shows? Problem. The breadth of the therapeutic rule and what can be given and when? Problem. Who can sign an entry blank? Problem. The scope of illegal drugs and ability to test them? Problem. [edit]
Sorry - I should’ve said “or”.
according to my coth sources, she also ALLEGEDLY got in a lot of trouble with CANTER for trying to donate a horse off the track with fractures that she didn’t disclose. don’t have a link for that though.
Yeah, and according to Coth sources shampoo is toxic and kills horses and a horse’s tail is a single long bone. 
According to the general showing public…you are allegedly quite well known. Not in the famous way…more of the infamous-lord-don’t-be-connected-to-THAT-name way. Allegedly. Hearsay. I also do not have a link for that…
Oh, and run your posts by one of your many attorneys first. Because you’ve accused others of libel for a hella lot less than your attempt to discredit Laurie for pointing out your obvious lack of keeping your stories straight.
DMK, (and others) – What is the therapeutic benefit of giving a gelding a female hormone? What therapeutic issue is that addressing? (Unless the pony is having sexual orientation problems it is trying to resolve.)
[QUOTE=EAY;6754697]
Very cute pony and not to derail a serious conversation, but that fake tail looks like it weighs more than the poor pony does. :eek:[/QUOTE]
My guess is that the tail provides a counter balance for the shift in weight by that MUCH TOO BIG FOR THE PONY rider. When she goes forward over a jump, her chin is practically at the pony’s ears.
But, I guess that, since Humble was for sale back then (in May of 2010), it was necessary to have an older and bigger rider ride the pony so it won some ribbons. Since the pony never sold, my guess is that it was not priced competitively for the market. Either that or no one wanted a small pony that could not win with an appropriate-sized rider on it.
[QUOTE=amberhill;6754665]
according to my coth sources, she also ALLEGEDLY got in a lot of trouble with CANTER for trying to donate a horse off the track with fractures that she didn’t disclose. don’t have a link for that though.[/QUOTE]
And you got in trouble with the USEF for a horse death at a show. Regretfully, the published necropsy results you have presented can be argued for/against your case presented given there is no definitive cause. However, the report did state, “The pony could have succumbed to peracute hypersensitivity reaction - an overwhelming allergic response to medications or environmental triggers to which this animal has become increasingly sensitive.”
Seems to me that a few fingers are pointing directly at you in the necropsy.
