Nick Peronace Dressage

[abrant]

Just because you are concerned about behavior like this doesn’t mean you don’t have the capacity to also care about situations that involve the abuse of horses. I believe it is possible to be against abuse and also against liars? Right?

And this is aside from the fact that it is largely those that do not have a toolbox built up over years of learning that resort to the worst “training” tactics.

As someone pointed out, maybe something that really needed to be addressed in the industry is those that “shrug” and turn away from situations like this. I am protected by the FTC when I buy anything from candy bars to light bulbs but somehow when it comes to spending $$$$ on the care and training of a large, expensive, dangerous animal it should be a free for all of whatever it takes to get my money?

I think the saddest thing, and I’ve seen it happen here locally, is that you have a solid basic instructor getting business pulled away because they refuse to lie about who they are. I mean, who wants to learn things the right way when a klassical master can teach you to levade tomorrow? By turning our backs we’re basically saying that solid beginner instruction is not important in this country and this is maybe why we have a problem.

[gardenie]

“I think the saddest thing, and I’ve seen it happen here locally, is that you have a solid basic instructor getting business pulled away because they refuse to lie about who they are. I mean, who wants to learn things the right way when a klassical master can teach you to levade tomorrow? By turning our backs we’re basically saying that solid beginner instruction is not important in this country and this is maybe why we have a problem.”

Love this.

[oldernewbie]

Four years ago I was a complete newbie to dressage. I have been riding my entire life but took up dressage when I got my horse and decided I wanted to learn more. Even though I am very very aware of the sometimes pretty darn questionable antics of people in the horse business, I have to confess that dressage has such a unique aura about it that it would be easy to be misled. The very good things about dressage done well - the results you can get with the horse and the special things you really can do - are easily perverted by the lesser lights of the discipline.

The one thing I DO know now, without a doubt, is that it takes a lot of really hard work to get better at dressage. So anybody that promises quick results and encourages people to jump up the levels is not a practitioner of the “Art”, as this character likes to fancy himself. Nope, they’re a poser!

Consumer Reports tries to protect their target market from every shyster in the book. I think it’s admirable that people do the same on COTH as well - including outing people who abuse horses too. It’s all part of the same effort and I really appreciate it.

I don’t think COTH will ever run out of material!

[kellydressage]

You looked up his home address?
That is so creepy!

And now you are saying he is a horse abuser? Peronace is the lightest rider I have ever seen.
How about you people stop hiding behind your screen names and put your real names down so we can see what you have all done, and how all of you ride? Peronace has answered your questions, his pictures are public, his pictures show a forward horse looking beautiful. Lets see what all of you have done. I no you all are jealous because I know none of you can ride like the master! He has invited you to his clinics let’s see what you can do seeing how you all wanna make yourselves with inflated egos out to be superior

[Sticky_Situation]

Believing that it is inappropriate, unprofessional, and potentially dangerous for a person to represent himself as a Classical Dressage Master when he is not does not mean that one doesn’t care about horse abuse. Also, I’m pretty sure there are threads in Off Course about horse abuse with WAY more than 11 pages.

And, it’s always kind of entertaining when said charlatans and their houseguests come here and try to sell their BS to those that know better.

I wonder how the winner of Chevy’s Cup would feel about this situation?

[Sticky_Situation]

kellydressage perhaps you can clear this up since you seem to know him quite well … Why does he have JenTri Stables’ address listed on his website when he is not affiliated with them?

[kellydressage]

Put your real names down and stop hiding behind a screen name.
Nothing but jealous cowards!!

Lets see all of you put up some pictures so we can pick out a little things and critique it and start message board threads.
You all are hate him so much but yet you keep talking about him?

Sensationally jealous and sensationally pathetic each and everyone of you

[alibi_18]

Sorry, I’m hijacking the thread for a brief moment! But I’ve read some good books too and can answer Ace’s question!!! (does that make me a Master?)

[QUOTE=Ace;7342362]
I want to know what this “leading by silk reins” thing is all about.[/QUOTE]

Actually, this is quite an interresting story from what I believe originated from the old French riding masters, and was later used by N. Oliveira and others as well.

From ‘‘Manuel Pratique d’Équitation’’ of CH. Lebrun-Renaud (Paris, 1886) : the italian principles with Pignatelli as a renown rider have revolutionized the european ‘‘equestrian science’’.
The French, with De la Broue, Pluvinel and others were developping concepts aiming toward slowed movements and shortened gaits. Were deemed as good riders those who were able to cross the 500m between the carousel of Versailles to its Marble Court, in 45minutes, at the canter. Masters like Pluvinel, De la Broue, Newcastle, the Marquis de la Bigue and the d’Abzac were the proponents of this. This was just a bit before de la Guérinière’s time if I’m not mistaken.

In Paul Morand’s ‘‘Milady’’ (Saumur, 1936) ; this novel relates a famous story about the Marquis de la Bigue : ‘‘masterful demonstration of going around the Armory Square of Versailles in a whole hour, always staying at the canter. And it was not by pulling on the reins, for he had two pieces of silk for only reins.’’

This was written when Nuno was a kid, so he studied, as everyone else at the time, stories and metaphores of the great masters and developed his own theories on the subject : ‘‘reins are silk threads that must be found by chance’’ or ‘‘horses of fire led by a silk thread’’.

When the masters are talking about a silk thread as rein, some like Nuno were really riding with a silk thread, that was put in the horse’s mouth instead of the bit. Frédy Merçay riding Santos with a silk thread

I have read that the german Willi Schultheis, when older, presented horses on a silk thread. (can’t find picture of that)

If you look at pictures of the Cadre Noir de Saumur, the purple or white snaffle reins are of silk, coming from De la Bigue era.

Go on with the train wreck.

[kellydressage]

Its New Years Eve and I have nothing to do until tonight all my horses are fed and my stalls are clean. I will defend the master to my last breath, especially when none of you will put your real name down or show anyone of us what you have really done to compare your riding to his. You won’t do this because you know damn well that he is a genius he rides beautifully and he is a modern master!
All of you probably yank your horse’s mouth use super long Spurs chasing ribbons. Then some judge in some booth somewhere says you know what you’re doing so you carry on thinking that you do meanwhile your horse doesnt hold a candle to anything the Masters done!
Peronace has advised me not to waste my time with you idiots, but I choose to call each and everyone of you out. You pick this jealous fight and now you’ve got it you called down the Thunder now you got it! Lets see who your real names are and let’s see pictures of your real riding.
Put up or shut up!!!

[alibi_18]

[QUOTE=kellydressage;7342830]
Its New Years Eve and I have nothing to do until tonight all my horses are fed and my stalls are clean. I will defend the master to my last breath, especially when none of you will put your real name down or show anyone of us what you have really done to compare your riding to his. You won’t do this because you know damn well that he is a genius he rides beautifully and he is a modern master!
All of you probably yank your horse’s mouth use super long Spurs chasing ribbons. Then some judge in some booth somewhere says you know what you’re doing so you carry on thinking that you do meanwhile your horse doesnt hold a candle to anything the Masters done!
Peronace has advised me not to waste my time with you idiots, but I choose to call each and everyone of you out. You pick this jealous fight and now you’ve got it you called down the Thunder now you got it! Lets see who your real names are and let’s see pictures of your real riding.
Put up or shut up!!![/QUOTE]

COTH people, is this really happening?

[katarine]

Go home, kellydressage, you’re drunk.

[JCS]

I think we’ve found the fruitbat.

[alicen]

[QUOTE=kellydressage;7342830]
Put up or shut up!!![/QUOTE]

That’s not going to work.

[kellydressage]

They don’t compete at the Spanish Riding School either does that mean they don’t know what they’re doing and you all are so much more superior?

Have you noticed that when he first started his interview he mentioned about a difficult horse and some woman in New Jersey, and how he got positive results and none of you mentioned that and said what a good job was done with that horse? None of you have anything nice to say about any of his pictures, meanwhile his pictures show lightness not seen in ages. And as a teen he taught himself Airs above ground! The man is a absolute genius and if you can ever get over your jealousy, to work with him is an experience of a lifetime

[Nojacketrequired]

his pictures show a forward horse looking beautiful.

I must have missed those ones, because I see pictures of horses hiding behind the bit. If you and your friend are allowed to “tell it like it is”, so am I, and I’m telling you those pictures don’t show horses forward and working on the bit correctly. I’m assuming that Mr. Peronace chose these pictures because they were the best representation of what he believes to be correct, which shows me that this person doesn’t know what he’s looking for and shouldn’t be purporting to teach others.
And, sorry to burst your bubble, but I’m not in the least jealous. I’m somewhere between perplexed by the fact this man has convinced himself he’s all that and a bag of chips and in awe of the sheer chutzpah of the whole scheme.

NJR
AKA Lisa Turner

PS…I’ve sat beside Stephen Clarke AND Elizabeth McMullen so I must be super educated!

[kellydressage]

[QUOTE=alicen;7342857]
That’s not going to work.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for proving my point!

[Sticky_Situation]

Kellydressage, tell me you real name and show me pictures of your riding, and I’ll show you mine.

[abrant]

[QUOTE=kellydressage;7342830]
Its New Years Eve and I have nothing to do until tonight all my horses are fed and my stalls are clean. I will defend the master to my last breath, especially when none of you will put your real name down or show anyone of us what you have really done to compare your riding to his. You won’t do this because you know damn well that he is a genius he rides beautifully and he is a modern master!
All of you probably yank your horse’s mouth use super long Spurs chasing ribbons. Then some judge in some booth somewhere says you know what you’re doing so you carry on thinking that you do meanwhile your horse doesnt hold a candle to anything the Masters done!
Peronace has advised me not to waste my time with you idiots, but I choose to call each and everyone of you out. You pick this jealous fight and now you’ve got it you called down the Thunder now you got it! Lets see who your real names are and let’s see pictures of your real riding.
Put up or shut up!!![/QUOTE]

I’ll bite.

Shouldn’t you have posted your real name? I mean, you’re insulting people for not using their real names when you are not using your real name.

[RedmondDressage]

[QUOTE=kellydressage;7342818]
Put your real names down and stop hiding behind a screen name.
Nothing but jealous cowards!!

Lets see all of you put up some pictures so we can pick out a little things and critique it and start message board threads.
You all are hate him so much but yet you keep talking about him?

Sensationally jealous and sensationally pathetic each and everyone of you[/QUOTE]

I have held my tongue throughout this epically entertaining thread… But I just have to respond.

Kelly - had you spent any amount of time on COTH you would know who many of us are. I have posted pictures of myself and my horses numerous times on this board, as have many of the people posting on this thread. While I haven’t posted my real name as far as I can remember, I have posted my competition horse’s name on many occasions and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out who I am by simply searching him on Centerline Scores, especially considering the only other USEF registered horse with the same name is deceased. I don’t think many of us have anything to hide. For example - I will tell you that I have re-trained my very difficult gelding with a very bad training history to PSG. I am incredibly happy with him and am thrilled with all I have learned and continue to learn, but our show results have been mixed so far. On good days we’re in the solid 60’s and we had enough good days to qualify for regionals this year. On bad days things aren’t so rosy, on a particularly bad one last season we scored a whopping 49%. But instead of quitting I chuckled all the way back to the barn and I keep on keeping on. I put myself out there at recognized shows every season and work my a$$ off to get better. I pour $$$ into working with an outstanding trainer who has PROVEN results (seriously, her Centerline Scores make me die with jealousy) and who has brought more horses and riders than I can count to FEI. What I don’t do is quit showing because I sucked one time, hang out my shingle, and dupe people into thinking I’m the maestro of dressage.

I think that’s what I find a bit offensive about this whole thing (aside from the outright lies). My instructor also charges $75 for a 45 minute lesson. She is unquestionably top notch and has spent decades refining and perfecting not only her riding skill, but her incredible ability to teach as well. It’s insulting to everyone who has/is actually putting the work into training correct, highly accomplished riders and horses.

[alicen]

[QUOTE=kellydressage;7342866]
And as a teen he taught himself Airs above ground! [/QUOTE]

Clearly, putting on the airs is still there.