[QUOTE=lovey1121;7349392]
There’s another short cantering video and an unmounted flexion video á la Baucher on Suffolk Stables’ FB page. Date is Dec. 18 2013, in case my copy/paste skills aren’t mad
https://m.facebook.com/groups/412949013311?__user=1673570504[/QUOTE]
Can someone get the other cantering video on youtube as was done w/ the flexion one? Thanks from a non-FB person!
[QUOTE=infiniti;7349573]
Inadvertently (or maybe not) this thread has turned into an example of cyber bullying. I’m not saying that making false claims is ok but what many of you are doing is also questionable. Please consider if you would say the things you have to someone’s face if this were an offline scenario.[/QUOTE]
I did compare this thread to the bullying thread. I have had nothing to say in this thread that i would not say to Mr. Peronace’s face.
Example:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?424362-Nick-Peronace-Dressage&p=7348739#post7348739
I think “bullying” as defined is to persecute someone for something they are not at fault, or not in control of. It is not bullying to point out that someone is lying. If they defend the lies with outrageous stories and even more lies, it is not bullying to mock them further.
Outing a scammer =/= bullying. Perhaps some have crossed the line here in a avalanche-ish way. Still doesn’t qualify.
[QUOTE=infiniti;7349573]
Inadvertently (or maybe not) this thread has turned into an example of cyber bullying. I’m not saying that making false claims is ok but what many of you are doing is also questionable. Please consider if you would say the things you have to someone’s face if this were an offline scenario.[/QUOTE]
I really don’t think that asking for credentials and researching a “Haute Ecole Dressage Master” and “clinician” who is charging a fee comparable to an actual Grand Prix trainer is bullying.
I’m sorry but I am not comfortable being silently aware of a fraud, and not posting here about it, for fear of being called a bully.
The bully is the guy who is lying about his credentials so he can take money from people who trust his word.
[QUOTE=vagabondrider;7349581]
Can someone get the other cantering video on youtube as was done w/ the flexion one? Thanks from a non-FB person![/QUOTE]
Both videos can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MotherMadeMeDoIt
The special channel also hosts a lesson by “spirit horse.”
[QUOTE=infiniti;7349573]
Inadvertently (or maybe not) this thread has turned into an example of cyber bullying. I’m not saying that making false claims is ok but what many of you are doing is also questionable. Please consider if you would say the things you have to someone’s face if this were an offline scenario.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. A line has been crossed here.
[QUOTE=LarkspurCO;7349609]
Both videos can be seen here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/MotherMadeMeDoIt/videos
The special channel also hosts a lesson by “spirit horse.”[/QUOTE]
Jeeze their own channel! How apropos. But somehow not complete without the humpy video. 
[QUOTE=skydy;7349633]
Jeeze,
their own channel! How apropos. But somehow not complete without the humpy video.[/QUOTE]
Doin’ the humpty-hump, all the way to 3rd level!
I just saw the spirit horse video for the first time and I’m AGHASTED. Must. Find. Thread!! Can anyone provide a link? I can’t seem to find it!!
[QUOTE=BigBayHanoMare;7349409]
He never releases when she gives. 
ETA: During the unmounted flexion video, I mean.[/QUOTE]
That was my first thought
[QUOTE=kellydressage;7340238]
I am going to try and get Peronace to come on here…
… What Peronace gives is very real. One lesson with him and you will understand. [/QUOTE]
Confused: is Peronace his first name, or his last ?
[QUOTE=AliCat518;7349669]
I just saw the spirit horse video for the first time and I’m AGHASTED. Must. Find. Thread!! Can anyone provide a link? I can’t seem to find it!![/QUOTE]
The old links that still work are few…
I did find this; http://theofficialsiteofgrantmiller.blogspot.com/2007/05/grant-miller-media-presents_17.html
and the mug shot;
I couldn’t find the photo of the “Reverend” jumping a cross rail in an exercise saddle, on a horse with ankle chains on… but I’m too tired to search for it now.
You might search the Cesar Parra threads. He has sued Parra (unsuccessfully) twice, so far…
[QUOTE=kellydressage;7342866]
And as a teen he taught himself Airs above ground! [/QUOTE]
And today he’s one of the top gymnasts in the country.
Seriously, what is this fascination with airs above the ground ? When I read that NP taught a horse a few airs, it means nothing to me. I’m not impressed, and most other dressage people aren’t either. Sorry.
[QUOTE=Mardi;7349697]
And today he’s one of the top gymnasts in the country.
Seriously, what is this fascination with airs above the ground ? When I read that NP taught a horse a few airs, it means nothing to me. I’m not impressed, and most other dressage people aren’t either. Sorry.[/QUOTE]
I believe he is selling his services to beginners. More the shame on him.
Hopefully people will look him up and find this thread before engaging him for a clinic and spending their hard earned money on a charlatan.
There are plenty of good instructors around and kind COTH people have stepped up to help the people who engaged him for a clinic, (believing that he was what he claimed to be) and have now cancelled for obvious reasons.
[QUOTE=Bristol Bay;7349623]
Agreed. A line has been crossed here.[/QUOTE]
What line would that be?
Is noticing and posting on this forum that a self described"Grand Prix Dressage Trainer " is lying in his advertisements, crossing “the line”?
Is it just too embarrassing? Should we just consider his finer feelings and not mention that he has used someone else’s address as his own on his website, or that he has lied over and over again? Tough luck for the people he takes money from then, right? We can’t hurt HIS feelings…:eek:
No wonder people get away with fraud if an anti-fraud stance now makes one a “bully”. Yikes.:no:
Terrible bullies we are.
[QUOTE=Manahmanah;7348739]
So a recap of this thread.
We have Mr. Peronace, self described here as per his website:
He claims a number of other things at his website and through his facebook page.
Mr. Peronace uses the above listed credentials to cold call barns across the united states to try to book clinics.
Upon further investigation, we understand that
We do not have many pictures of Mr. Peronace “training horses” besides this singular video.
[edit]
Did i miss anything?[/QUOTE]
Um… The legal difficulties having to do with fraudulent checks…
Wowsa, I skipped from page 13 to here. My first thought is 'I clearly don’t charge enough - I have worked with some bigger names many times, have my bronze, silver and gold medal, have students who have earned the same, am an ‘S’ judge candidate and only charge $50 for a 45 minute session. I will do an all day clinic for $300) I am in clear need of his marketing machine.
AND my name and pictures are on my website, so no hiding for me.
It’s too bad the young Peronace didn’t use Rev. Buck’s spirit bridle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiHeTdTXtzA
I find it strange that Mr. Peronace removed from Facebook the screenshot of the email he posted from the Dutch breeder declining his services (probably because someone pointed out that it made his previous claims about being considered for a job absurd), but he hasn’t removed the post from a “Sue Green” who alleges that he is connected to racist/homophobic remarks captured on a 2007 blog. Mr. P seriously needs a marketing manager.
[QUOTE=AliCat518;7349669]
I just saw the spirit horse video for the first time and I’m AGHASTED. Must. Find. Thread!! Can anyone provide a link? I can’t seem to find it!![/QUOTE]
This one is pretty good http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?314220-8-Months-Later
and the video that evidently started the whole thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sTiry6zJ1M
[QUOTE=skydy;7349691]
I couldn’t find the photo of the “Reverend” jumping a cross rail in an exercise saddle, on a horse with ankle chains on… but I’m too tired to search for it now.[/QUOTE]
Mr. Buck has wisely removed photo’s of his riding from his website.
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