[QUOTE=Mosey_2003;7349839]
Ehhh, normally I would not bait someone like that and report back in the manner that I did, but this charlatan is fleecing nice people that don’t know any better, and that really gets my hackles up. I used to BE one of those people. The sheer gall of the man irks me, he has no shame for what he’s done and is doing. I don’t think I was really bullying either, I didn’t call him names, I merely asked questions and he answered. He could have shut this ALL down very quickly by simply removing all the inaccurate information from his website and Facebook, I’m sure it would have petered out had he done so.[/QUOTE]
While I do think certain things have gone a little too far on this thread, and I do feel sorry for the people who work with him, I sort of agree with the above. I personally knew of two trainers who advertised themselves as Grand Prix riders. The first never rode above fourth (and didn’t do third or fourth well) and led a significant number of lower level riders astray (I was one of them). The second person turned out to be a training level rider who took some weekly lessons on a GP schoolmaster (doing tempis and pirouettes? No, learning shoulder-in, haunches in and leg yields). However, since this trainer was riding a GP horse, this person decided that it made them a GP rider. I could never say anything but this person lied out his/her teeth about their credentials to his/her clients. That was another group of riders led seriously astray (and by astray, I mean bad training, lame horses, unsafe handling, advice to sell appropriate horses and/or buy inappropriate horses, etc.). In this internet age, misrepresentation or even fabrication gets you nowhere fast, if not brings you alot of negative publicity. I do not know why people don’t understand that.
[QUOTE=lovey1121;7350351]
ETA - BigBay, we posted at the same time. To me, its like using draw reins on a dressage horse. There are some good professionals who will quietly use them for a specific purpose, to achieve a goal. Perhaps the chains you speak of are used in a similar fashion. I’d certainly place draw reins and ankle chains in the same category, though. Just like any training aid-abusive in inexperienced hands.[/QUOTE]
I’m only speaking about chains being used in the saddle seat discipline, I’ve also never seen them used as a training gadget on a dressage horse and I would question someone using them. So, we are in total agreement, I just had to dispel some myths. 
[QUOTE=Crockpot;7350363]
HuH? I don’t understand how chains improve training.- Despitewhat the haters think, Dressage is not about how high the horse raises the legs. How is this good? What is the back doing?[/QUOTE]
bbbbbbut…surely if we get the horse to smack his soles on his chest, he’ll HAVE to reach under and carry behind? Back?? What does the back have to do with this??:eek:
In all seriousness, stuff like this makes me sad for both horse and newbie rider trying to figure this sport out.
I just don’t get the idea of the training methods that NP uses that can solve my training issues.
I know that he keeps saying come ride with me and see, but there is no way I would pay to hear his opinions, perhaps if he did a clinic at no charge it would be worth it to see and video, but from what I have seen this man is in no way qualified to train and there is NO WAY I would let him come to my facility or touch my horse.
While I agree that posting to the farm hosting the clinics publicly isn’t the best way to deal with things I am glad to see that they have cancelled the clinic. Has anyone contacted DAD and made them aware of this situation? They may not be thrilled with the drama and low class way things have been handled by NP and may not want to be further associated with him through his trophy or his likeness.
[QUOTE=alibi_18;7350373]
This is a clinic schedule during the same time they wanted and an hour away of them, maybe they could get a hold of that clinician for the next days or something? I’ve often see that happen when good clinicians come to town, they get driven around a few barns during a week or so.
Lisa Schmidt I don’t know her but she seems more legit than NP. ;)[/QUOTE]
Lisa Schmidt is very good. Although I haven’t taken a lesson from her, I have seen her teach quite frequently in my area. She makes people work hard, but she is tactful and fair. She is also a savvy businesswoman and easy to work with from what friends of mine have said who know her personally. She would be a good choice for a clinic.
It all boils down to one thing for me. CAVEAT EMPTOR. How many people out there can talk the dressage talk? Even Rev. SpiritBuck spouts enough dressageisms to fool someone for a little while. Its those with a leedle bit of knowledge who are most dangerous, cuz they don’t even know how much they don’t know. But they know more than Newbie:winkgrin:
Research is your friend. Lisa Schmidt, Sara Schmidtt, Heather Mason are all terrific, and I’m sure there are many others in the area.
[QUOTE=Wicky;7350366]
Looked like Sports Medicine boots with white lettering, to me. But I cannot be sure.[/QUOTE]
It looks like he IS wearing boots of some sort, but if you see the video and not just the picture you can clearly tell there are chains moving around on his pasterns, lower than the boots. And you can hear them jingle.
[QUOTE=alibi_18;7350373]
I doubt no one insisted that they cancel their clinic but FACTS (lies) were pointed out.
I would have love a heads up about some trainers I rode with in the past…Wouldn’t have hurt my wallet nor my time.
And as I suggested, people who know about good dressage trainers in the area should contact them privately and so they could have a list of potential clinicians to choose from that aren’t misadvertizing themselves.
This is a clinic schedule during the same time they wanted and an hour away of them, maybe they could get a hold of that clinician for the next days or something? I’ve often see that happen when good clinicians come to town, they get driven around a few barns during a week or so.
Lisa Schmidt I don’t know her but she seems more legit than NP. ;)[/QUOTE]
Lisa isnt “in town”, that stable is her home base. She is a good clinician and a fair judge though maybe a little overqualified to teach people who are newer to dressage.
[QUOTE=2bayboys;7349796]
I find it strange that Mr. Peronace removed from Facebook the screenshot of the email he posted from the Dutch breeder declining his services (probably because someone pointed out that it made his previous claims about being considered for a job absurd), but he hasn’t removed the post from a “Sue Green” who alleges that he is connected to racist/homophobic remarks captured on a 2007 blog. Mr. P seriously needs a marketing manager.[/QUOTE]
I looked at the letter while it was posted. It’s a form letter along the lines of “thanks but no thanks”. Even his devoted followers could see that. Probably why he took it down.
Who knows why the other is still up. Difficulty managing all the bs maybe.
And FWIW I’m not a good rider at all, and when I spend my money for a clinic or lesson I want to be getting something of value for my money, not just throwing it away.
[QUOTE=Manahmanah;7350433]
Lisa isnt “in town”, that stable is her home base. She is a good clinician and a fair judge though though maybe a little overqualified to teach people who are newer to dressage.[/QUOTE]
They were looking for a GP dressage trainer for 75$/hour. We don’t know who were to ride in that clinic, maybe they had higher level riders coming in just for the clinic.
Better learn the basics with good Pros than with average ones.
Maybe they could contact Lisa and ask her about other good trainers in the region that could be more suitable for them?
Anyway, I’m just saying that those around that area should help them find good clinicians for further clinics. That is all.
Best. Thread. Evar.
I know nothing of the use of chains alone and I’m hesitant to even comment but that scares the crap out of me. Maybe I’m just ignorant on the subject but I’ve attended many clinics with the cream of the crop and not once have I seen chains employed and I’d be willing to bet the would be removed immediately.
When there is a trainer who claims they can make a PSG horse in 1 year or a GP horse in 2 years and then you hear comments “use bigger spurs to really make him piaffe” , “YES I RIDE DEEP” and then there is the possibility of chains? This is really a sad situation and I’m glad someone contacted the farm to let them know what is going on. 
Wow 187 Likes, my page view numbers are through the roof, and I got another clinic booked today!! THANK YOU!!
Yea…and I’m not telling anyone where it is!
[QUOTE=KurPlexed;7350498]
Wow 187 Likes, my page view numbers are through the roof, and I got another clinic booked today!! THANK YOU!!
Yea…and I’m not telling anyone where it is![/QUOTE]
It’s going to be on the infomercial channel with Mr Simmons himself doing the Humpdy Third Level Hump!
[QUOTE=Reddfox;7350106]
OMG, THE AIRS!!!
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb249/Reddfox626/TheAIRS.jpg[/QUOTE]
I may never recover. Funniest thing ever. :lol:
[QUOTE=KurPlexed;7350498]
Wow 187 Likes, my page view numbers are through the roof, and I got another clinic booked today!! THANK YOU!!
Yea…and I’m not telling anyone where it is![/QUOTE]
Probably Suffolk Stables. He has been there and he meets their needs, apparently.
Just wow!!!
From his FB page a few minutes ago…
“Here we have a “chair seat”, called that because instead of the riders legs relaxing and staying long, they have been brought forward as if sitting in a chair. When the seat is off balanced, the legs and heels come up. This rider is also hanging on the horses mouth for balance, this is evident by how much snaffle we see, you shouldn’t be able to see practically the middle of the snaffle bit. This is also a great example of a rider buying their way to the top without completing some of the basics. Any rich person can by a world class horse, but that certainly does not make you a world-class rider! This rider is over mounted and should go back to the lunge line, but politics speak louder then abilities, and why would a rider take a few steps backwards, when their money has surround them with Yes Men and bought ribbons?
Photo: Here we have a “chair seat”, called that because instead of the riders legs relaxing and staying long, they have been brought forward as if sitting in a chair. When the seat is off balanced, the legs and heels come up. This rider is also hanging on the horses mouth for balance, this is evident by how much snaffle we see, you shouldn’t be able to see practically the middle of the snaffle bit. This is also a great example of a rider buying their way to the top without completing some of the basics. Any rich person can by a world class horse, but that certainly does not make you a world-class rider! This rider is over mounted and should go back to the lunge line, but politics speak louder then abilities, and why would a rider take a few steps backwards, when their money has surround them with Yes Men and bought ribbons?”
[QUOTE=Joanne;7350525]
Probably Suffolk Stables. He has been there and he meets their needs, apparently.[/QUOTE]
They were the ones who cancelled. In all liklihood he’s lying.
Finally caught up on this thread…just wow.
He wouldn’t know a chair seat if it kicked him in the face.
