[QUOTE=lovey1121;7350240]
Why, its to lighten the front end, silly 
No need for half halts or movements–just gadgets like chains. I guess this is how he plans to take the 10 y o hunter with auto-swaps instantly to 3rd L, then slam those tempis and pirrs on and voilá, 4 L/PSG here we come![/QUOTE]
Don’t forget the giant spurs for piaffe.
[QUOTE=KurPlexed;7350158]
Someone please tell me this is not true.[/QUOTE]
You’re surprised?
[QUOTE=trubandloki;7350019]
It is hard to imagine that people really think it is wrong to call out a fraud like this one.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think it is wrong to expose a charlatan, but mission accomplished.
[QUOTE=JCS;7350174]
To be fair, though, we don’t know who tacked him up… Maybe the horse’s owner uses them routinely and NP didn’t want to rock the boat? I’m trying here…[/QUOTE]
You’re kind to look for an excuse, but can you see Hilda leaving chains on so’s not to rock a delusional boat?
The chains take this guy to a new level. Its one thing to lie about your credentials, quite another to use abusive training methods. And if you’re influencing a barnful of people with no idea of what it truly takes to train a dressage horse, you deserve having your netherparts exposed. IMHO.
I’m thinking Mr. Peronace should go back to jumping.
[QUOTE=alicen;7350296]
I’m thinking Mr. Peronace should go back to jumping.[/QUOTE]
No thank you, we don’t want him.
My gosh, I think you are right about the ankle chains. I too am going to have you guys do a background search on all potential suitors and employee hires!
As a previous poster said I do think some of the comments are a off topic and can water down the real point of the thread (and are the things I believe others feel are bullying) …such as the Richard Simmons photoshopped photos. IMO those types of comments reduce the actual seriousness of his fraud, misrepresentation, harm to future riders/ horses, the sport of dressage, etc.
[QUOTE=lovey1121;7350274]
The chains take this guy to a new level. Its one thing to lie about your credentials, quite another to use abusive training methods. And if you’re influencing a barnful of people with no idea of what it truly takes to train a dressage horse, you deserve having your netherparts exposed. IMHO.[/QUOTE]
Lest this turn into an even bigger train wreck, chains alone are NOT abusive. Chains are only abusive when used in conjunction with a horse who has been sored. That horse has no trouble picking up his feet, so they aren’t heavy chains. Hell most chains you can buy as an action advice are just a few ounces; my Michael Kors watch is heavier.
So, let’s review: chains alone, not abusive; chains with an acid-sored horse, ABSOLUTELY abusive.
I have to agree with infiniti, the line was crossed.
Asking relevant questions fine. The cross was contacting clinic holders and insisting they cancel. No one was in imminant danger with the clinic making him lose business.
Its their choice to pay him their money.
Cant believe i had to point that out.
Personally i pay $80 for 45-1hr private with a person who was short listed to the team, rides GP and shows, coached the para team.
[QUOTE=JCS;7350174]
To be fair, though, we don’t know who tacked him up… Maybe the horse’s owner uses them routinely and NP didn’t want to rock the boat? I’m trying here…[/QUOTE]
I am confident the trainers I have ridden with would promptly remove such a device. Any dressage trainer worth their salt would. By FB posts back and forth, the “Maestro” and the horse’s owner seem very familiar with each other.
There is clearly something on the horse’s legs
[QUOTE=BigBayHanoMare;7350310]Lest this turn into an even bigger train wreck, chains alone are NOT abusive. Chains are only abusive when used in conjunction with a horse who has been sored. That horse has no trouble picking up his feet, so they aren’t heavy chains. Hell most chains you can buy as an action advice are just a few ounces; my Michael Kors watch is heavier.
So, let’s review: chains alone, not abusive; chains with an acid-sored horse, ABSOLUTELY abusive.[/QUOTE]
Agree - not abusive, but unheard of when training a dressage horse. They are ACTION chains - really, a Frisian cross needs even more upfront action to do lower level dressage? Why is a “grand prix” rider, and “master” using action chains?
I agree that chains alone on a horse are not abusive in that they will actually hurt them. However, they are certainly not part of any sort of classical training of a dressage horse. For me the rub comes from NP advertising himself as a GP trainer/ rider that does not show because folks who show take short cuts, are not classical, etc because all they care about are show scores.
[QUOTE=BigBayHanoMare;7350310]
Lest this turn into an even bigger train wreck, chains alone are NOT abusive. Chains are only abusive when used in conjunction with a horse who has been sored. That horse has no trouble picking up his feet, so they aren’t heavy chains. Hell most chains you can buy as an action advice are just a few ounces; my Michael Kors watch is heavier.
So, let’s review: chains alone, not abusive; chains with an acid-sored horse, ABSOLUTELY abusive.[/QUOTE]
Those are seemingly too snug about the pastern to achieve any effect at all, honestly- chains are used in gaited horses to bang around loosely and aggravate the pastern and coronet band- so I’m not entirely certain they are doing anything all that ‘off’ with them-- maybe even just as some sort of New Age application of ‘rhythm beads’ to hear if the horse is even.
http://atwork.avma.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Chains.jpg
[QUOTE=Teddy;7350314]
I have to agree with infiniti, the line was crossed.
Asking relevant questions fine. The cross was contacting clinic holders and insisting they cancel. No one was in imminant danger with the clinic making him lose business.
Its their choice to pay him their money.
Cant believe i had to point that out.
Personally i pay $80 for 45-1hr private with a person who was short listed to the team, rides GP and shows, coached the para team.[/QUOTE]
I do not see where anyone “insisted” anything to the people having the clinic(s).
To you it makes more sense to let them believe his lies, pay for the clinic and then find out after that they were taken?
It is now their choice to pay him their money knowing who he really is. Does that not seem more fair?
Not everyone knows how to do the amazing research some of the people here know how to do. Lots of people are just trusting and assume that is someone like this calls them and offers a clinic at their facility they are what they say they are.
I would find more wrong with people who let others be had than those who are brave enough to point out a fraud.
[QUOTE=Appsolute;7350318]
Agree - not abusive, but unheard of when training a dressage horse. They are ACTION chains - really, a Frisian cross needs even more upfront action to do lower level dressage? Why is a “grand prix” rider, and “master” using action chains?[/QUOTE]
I am not disagreeing with these points at ALL, I completely agree with them, in fact. But I ride with a GP dressage rider and trainer at a multi-discipline facility which includes saddle seat. I’m a former saddle seat rider myself, too; my trainer wouldn’t use them on her horses, but she has examined them and asked questions because she’s curious and genuinely wants to learn more about things outside of her sandbox. They aren’t abusive by themselves, and she sees that (and I know it!). I just feel the need to dispel incorrect information when I come across it.
[QUOTE=BigBayHanoMare;7350310]
Lest this turn into an even bigger train wreck, chains alone are NOT abusive. Chains are only abusive when used in conjunction with a horse who has been sored. That horse has no trouble picking up his feet, so they aren’t heavy chains. Hell most chains you can buy as an action advice are just a few ounces; my Michael Kors watch is heavier.
So, let’s review: chains alone, not abusive; chains with an acid-sored horse, ABSOLUTELY abusive.[/QUOTE]
I never heard of nor saw chains being used on any horse schooling dressage. As to chains being used in other disciplines, to that I plead ignorance.
ETA - BigBay, we posted at the same time. To me, its like using draw reins on a dressage horse. There are some good professionals who will quietly use them for a specific purpose, to achieve a goal. Perhaps the chains you speak of are used in a similar fashion. I’d certainly place draw reins and ankle chains in the same category, though. Just like any training aid-abusive in inexperienced hands.
HuH? I don’t understand how chains improve training.- Despitewhat the haters think, Dressage is not about how high the horse raises the legs. How is this good? What is the back doing?
[QUOTE=lovey1121;7350351]
I never heard of nor saw chains being used on any horse schooling dressage. As to chains being used in other disciplines, to that I plead ignorance.[/QUOTE]
Like I said above, they don’t have any place in dressage, and are used in a benign fashion in other disciplines (as well as in a nefarious fashion with TWHs, sadly). The soring in the TWH world is what people react to but then label other disciplines with as well, when it’s not true and is just ignorant.
I just felt the need to spread a bit of education, but I TOTALLY agree, no chains in dressage!
Looked like Sports Medicine boots with white lettering, to me. But I cannot be sure.
[QUOTE=Crockpot;7350363]
HuH? I don’t understand how chains improve training.- Despitewhat the haters think, Dressage is not about how high the horse raises the legs. How is this good? What is the back doing?[/QUOTE]
They DON’T have a place in dressage; I’m just educating people that they aren’t abusive unless used in conjunction with soring.
[QUOTE=Teddy;7350314]
The cross was contacting clinic holders and insisting they cancel. No one was in imminant danger with the clinic making him lose business.
Its their choice to pay him their money.[/QUOTE]
I doubt no one insisted that they cancel their clinic but FACTS (lies) were pointed out.
I would have love a heads up about some trainers I rode with in the past…Wouldn’t have hurt my wallet nor my time.
And as I suggested, people who know about good dressage trainers in the area should contact them privately and so they could have a list of potential clinicians to choose from that aren’t misadvertizing themselves.
This is a clinic schedule during the same time they wanted and an hour away of them, maybe they could get a hold of that clinician for the next days or something? I’ve often see that happen when good clinicians come to town, they get driven around a few barns during a week or so.
Lisa Schmidt I don’t know her but she seems more legit than NP.
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