No WEG for Sharbatly

[Coreene]

[QUOTE=Ghazzu;7744706]
An incredibly gross and inaccurate portrayal of a large group of human beings.

FWIW, I spent a fair amount of time discussing religion with various people I met while visiting the Levant some years back, and found the discussions to be fascinating. The overall hospitality of the many different people I met was outstanding. (I walked into a local convenience store outside Damascus, and the kid behind the register sat me down and started feeding me and making tea.)

“Those people” are by and large just like any random group of people you’re likely to meet anywhere.[/QUOTE]

Indeed. I feel the same, Ghazzu, and my experiences are equally as nice.

[cloudyandcallie]

Oh for God’s sake, now the muslims are the only horse abusers? So are they responsible for all the starved and abused horses here in the USA also? While al Sharbatly may be “abusive” when riding his horses, I blame it on the fact he was, I think, born in London, raised in London, and learned to ride at Hickstead. We all know how those UK horse people are, don’t we? (And why did the horse Hickstead have the strange bit? I presume because he was pretty hard to rate. His owners/rider put that on him, not Sharbatly, btw.)

Good grief! Wasn’t it Abdullah (the horse not the person) who always had a bleeding mouth because his non-muslim rider always rode him so hard?
I totally agree with Coreene here.
Well at least Obama is not at fault here, but another muslim, Sharbatly, is being blamed now. Who cares who thanks Allah or God or whomever after a safe round?

[netg]

[QUOTE=CatchMeIfUCan;7744767]
I personally would be upset if someone let go of the reins on my horse to praise any god while racing around the arena. Wait until the horse is stopped or under control at least, especially when so much is at stake. Nothing to do with what religion it is - it is how he treated the horse while he did it. Even if he just pumped his fists while letting go of the reins and racing around would bother me.

The way he acted and rode at WEG left a really sour taste in my mouth about him, and I didn’t even seen the podium incident. Glad he isn’t competing this year.[/QUOTE]

That’s exactly it - it’s the fact he dropped the reins and raced around, and it takes racial/religious bias to claim or infer it’s who he thanked which makes it unacceptable.

The horse should be thanked first and foremost, then the horse’s rider/trainer. Racing out of control, regardless of religion, is the issue which makes so many of us dislike him.

OP - you may want to drop it, as you came across as more prejudiced in your latest post.

[AffirmedHope]

It is my understanding that Sharbaty, while currently residing in SA, was actually born and raised in England. I think we just have a case of a spoiled entitled princess boy. They come from all over the world. We have plenty of them in American Show Jumping!

I do agree that celebration on Hickstead was just in horrible, horrible taste. He’s lucky nothing happened to him or the horse with how he was running around without reins like a bat out of hell. Not that he would of cared, he would of probably just written Hicksteads owners a fat check.

On the other hand the Qatari rider Bassem Hassan Mohammed, he won the Monaco GCT GP this year and while he did do some hands off celebration on the back of the horse it wasn’t reckless like Sharbartly’s display was.

[SnicklefritzG]

[QUOTE=AffirmedHope;7744797]
On the other hand the Qatari rider Bassem Hassan Mohammed, he won the Monaco GCT GP this year and while he did do some hands off celebration on the back of the horse it wasn’t reckless like Sharbartly’s display was.[/QUOTE]

That’s exactly the issue that many people have with Sharbatly, not what higher power he invokes while on horseback.

[MonterStables]

[QUOTE=netg;7744795]
That’s exactly it - it’s the fact he dropped the reins and raced around, and it takes racial/religious bias to claim or infer it’s who he thanked which makes it unacceptable.

The horse should be thanked first and foremost, then the horse’s rider/trainer. Racing out of control, regardless of religion, is the issue which makes so many of us dislike him.

OP - you may want to drop it, as you came across as more prejudiced in your latest post.[/QUOTE]

Nothing I said was prejudiced and I’m actually slightly offended you would suggest as such. You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. Listen, it’s irrelevant what religion he is- horse abusers come from all backgrounds and ethnic groups.

[MonterStables]

[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;7744866]

[QUOTE=AffirmedHope;7744797]On the other hand the Qatari rider Bassem Hassan Mohammed, he won the Monaco GCT GP this year and while he did do some hands off celebration on the back of the horse it wasn’t reckless like Sharbartly’s display was.[/QUOTE]

That’s exactly the issue that many people have with Sharbatly, not what higher power he invokes while on horseback.[/QUOTE]

That’s exactly the problem I have with him. He has a complete disregard for the animals and it shows in his riding. I can’t have respect for someone like that and the case with the mare was the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

[netg]

[QUOTE=MonterStables;7744869]
Nothing I said was prejudiced and I’m actually slightly offended you would suggest as such. You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. Listen, it’s irrelevant what religion he is- horse abusers come from all backgrounds and ethnic groups.[/QUOTE]

It’s ok, most of us were offended by what you wrote which WAS prejudiced and biased sounding. If the offense goes both ways, well, I can take it.

[MonterStables]

[QUOTE=netg;7744884]
It’s ok, most of us were offended by what you wrote which WAS prejudiced and biased sounding. If the offense goes both ways, well, I can take it.[/QUOTE]

How was quoting an NPR radio cast prejudiced? As well, I simply stated the answer the question that was posed to me. It was not biased at all, nor was it intended to be. It was a simple observation that I have made due to the fact that people are always afraid of what they do not know and things that are unfamiliar.

[MonterStables]

netg, do you happen to keep up with the news at the moment? we have a lot of turmoil in the middle east, and the world for that matter especially with the beheading of another journalist and more warnings to the United States.

[Ponyplusaninch]

[QUOTE=Ghazzu;7744706]
An incredibly gross and inaccurate portrayal of a large group of human beings.

FWIW, I spent a fair amount of time discussing religion with various people I met while visiting the Levant some years back, and found the discussions to be fascinating. The overall hospitality of the many different people I met was outstanding. (I walked into a local convenience store outside Damascus, and the kid behind the register sat me down and started feeding me and making tea.)

“Those people” are by and large just like any random group of people you’re likely to meet anywhere.[/QUOTE]

While I agree and can relate to your experiences, I will say this–it is extremely hard to get your average American Joe to understand there is someone else out there in the world like him who just happens to look different and practice a different faith. Believe me, I have worked with a lot of these people before. Brandon Stanton (who, fun fact, was a student of mom’s) from Humans of New York has been photographing people all over the middle east. The comments on Facebook range from “they have malls in the middle east? And cars? I thought they all got around by camel” to “they seem just like us… sort of.” I think that’s very telling of average American perception of The Middle East/Islam and the uphill battle it takes to broaden America’s egocentric perception to one that encompasses and empathizes with the rest of the world.

[MonterStables]

[QUOTE=Pony+ an inch;7745026]
While I agree and can relate to your experiences, I will say this–it is extremely hard to get your average American Joe to understand there is someone else out there in the world like him who just happens to look different and practice a different faith. Believe me, I have worked with a lot of these people before. Brandon Stanton (who, fun fact, was a student of mom’s) from Humans of New York has been photographing people all over the middle east. The comments on Facebook range from “they have malls in the middle east? And cars? I thought they all got around by camel” to “they seem just like us… sort of.” I think that’s very telling of average American perception of The Middle East/Islam and the uphill battle it takes to broaden America’s egocentric perception to one that encompasses and empathizes with the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]

:yes:

[Lilly]

[QUOTE=MonterStables;7744572]
Let me just say that I didn’t make that statement as you maybe interpreted it. I felt I was merely stating the obvious due to what I’ve gathered from reading this post with a completely unbiased view, because I’m a writer(that has had a published article in the last few years)- that’s what we do. While I do not know the other religions of some of the other riders, we do not have a lot of middle eastern riders that we ever get to see on the podium or out

(going slightly off track for a moment, but still related) I heard an NPR interview yesterday about everything that is happening with ISIS, and why the Muslim world continues to be a heated issue for many Americans. The bottom line is that they do not like us, whether we are in their country or not. They despise everything about us and our culture. Whether we are in their country or not, we are always at war with them for that reason. So, I feel that as long as the world continues to be living under the shadow of negativity associated with the Muslim religion, there is always going to be that proverbial bite in a conversation about them- whether the people we are referring to are good people or not.[/QUOTE]

Which NPR story was this? Sorry but no way was that story referring to Muslims in general. That doesn’t sound like NPR at all.

[MonterStables]

[QUOTE=Lilly;7745105]
Which NPR story was this? Sorry but no way was that story referring to Muslims in general. That doesn’t sound like NPR at all.[/QUOTE]

You’re right, it wasn’t referring to Muslims in general. But as the poster above me stated (quote) " it is extremely hard to get your average American Joe to understand there is someone else out there in the world like him who just happens to look different and practice a different faith. " (end quote). The actions of one can damage the reputation of many. Contrary to popular belief, I know this.

I heard it over the barn yesterday over our radio while I was grooming. It sounded more like the program Fresh Air in all honesty but I wasn’t too sure, but the topic was intriguing hence why I was listening.

[Ponyplusaninch]

I think what MonterStables is trying to say (and if not, then this is what I say) is that the only exposure a majority of Americans get is from the media covering ISIS and other extremist Muslim groups (and then women’s rights, but that’s another touchy subject). Unless you go out and seek knowledge and experience yourself, then that’s all you get. It’s extremely unfortunate.

Kind of like the only exposure most in the equestrian community have to Suadi Arabia are the huge scandals in endurance at then all the stuff with Sharbatly. Unless you go google those phenomenal Presley Boy rounds and other stuff–which, admittedly, I haven’t even looked at really so I have no idea what else there is to Saudi Arabia’s equestrian federation–then all you’re left with is a bad taste in your mouth from what media reports.

[MonterStables]

[QUOTE=Lilly;7745105]
Which NPR story was this? Sorry but no way was that story referring to Muslims in general. That doesn’t sound like NPR at all.[/QUOTE]

http://www.npr.org/2014/06/25/325503790/journalist-dexter-filkins-explains-bitter-consequences-of-iraq-war

I believe this was it. They re-broadcast re-runs quite often.

[MonterStables]

[QUOTE=Pony+ an inch;7745144]
I think what MonterStables is trying to say (and if not, then this is what I say) is that the only exposure a majority of Americans get is from the media covering ISIS and other extremist Muslim groups (and then women’s rights, but that’s another touchy subject). Unless you go out and seek knowledge and experience yourself, then that’s all you get. It’s extremely unfortunate.

Kind of like the only exposure most in the equestrian community have to Suadi Arabia are the huge scandals in endurance at then all the stuff with Sharbatly. Unless you go google those phenomenal Presley Boy rounds and other stuff–which, admittedly, I haven’t even looked at really so I have no idea what else there is to Saudi Arabia’s equestrian federation–then all you’re left with is a bad taste in your mouth from what media reports.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. That’s what I was trying to put into words.

[Lilly]

[QUOTE=Pony+ an inch;7745144]
I think what MonterStables is trying to say (and if not, then this is what I say) is that the only exposure a majority of Americans get is from the media covering ISIS and other extremist Muslim groups (and then women’s rights, but that’s another touchy subject). Unless you go out and seek knowledge and experience yourself, then that’s all you get. It’s extremely unfortunate.

Kind of like the only exposure most in the equestrian community have to Suadi Arabia are the huge scandals in endurance at then all the stuff with Sharbatly. Unless you go google those phenomenal Presley Boy rounds and other stuff–which, admittedly, I haven’t even looked at really so I have no idea what else there is to Saudi Arabia’s equestrian federation–then all you’re left with is a bad taste in your mouth from what media reports.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the explanation MS. One of the reasons I like NPR is that it makes clear the anti-American viewpoints are chiefly those of extremists, not Muslims in general.

[netg]

[QUOTE=MonterStables;7744933]
netg, do you happen to keep up with the news at the moment? we have a lot of turmoil in the middle east, and the world for that matter especially with the beheading of another journalist and more warnings to the United States.[/QUOTE]

In fact, I do. And I know that many governments of Arab, Muslim are also opposed to ISIS and are supporting governments which are not Muslim in opposition to ISIS.

Your post showed a gross ignorance and bias; however, racists are rarely able to see the shade in their own words and refuse to question their own motives and biases.

[MonterStables]

[QUOTE=netg;7745164]
In fact, I do. And I know that many governments of Arab, Muslim are also opposed to ISIS and are supporting governments which are not Muslim in opposition to ISIS.

Your post showed a gross ignorance and bias; however, racists are rarely able to see the shade in their own words and refuse to question their own motives and biases.[/QUOTE]

I’m sorry that you (and your houseguest who liked your comment) still seem to think that i’m racist despite the above putting what I could not into words. Clearly, I see that you are the one with the problem of not being open minded. But, while we are off track, please elaborate to me what your stance on this highly complicated matter is. Its quite obvious that you want to put the blame purely on me, but what is YOUR position on how we got to this point? And please, stick to the topic.