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OP, I’m wondering if some of the difficulty in making this decision aside from many other issues is a question in the back of your head that if your husband got another job in a month, would you be able to go on without euthanizing your horse after all. You have said a few times that you are broke and can no longer afford the horse (and have only partly afforded his care for some time), but as others have said, maybe this means something different to you than it does to others here. To me, “broke” doesn’t really mean that one can continue paying the half board and shoes indefinitely, but above you’ve said that you’ll keep doing that because the horse is important to you.

Is there a point when this will truly not be possible without your husband getting a job? I ask because if you figure out this point, maybe you can use it to help give yourself a deadline for making a decision. I know you keep asking for “a darn minute” but maybe it would give you some peace to know that you have a certain amount of time to think about it, rather than indefinite worry.

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There is absolutely nothing stopping you from calling the BO and getting a visual on your horse.

Well, nothing but the incessant desire to say “I can’t”.

OP you need to snap yourself out of the victim mindset. You were not fired for no reason (and if you were, I hope to dear jesus you initiated an EEOC complaint, another thing that is entirely free to you). You are not unable to get the meds you mentioned above. Your husband did not get fired for absolutely no reason. You are not unable to call the BO and get your eyes on your horse.

Stop saying “I CANT.” Yes, your accident dealt you a horrible hand - everything after that is YOU.

You’ve likely ostracized yourself from anyone else who might be able to help you talk through this because no one likes to be around a perpetual defeatist, a perpetual “here’s another excuse why I can’t do a damn thing to help myself.” So slowly but surely, anyone who might be able to bring you UP mentally and help you out in need… walks away. They’re not obligated to listen to you whine and moan when you aren’t doing the things - that are free, and 100% still in your grasp even with a disability - that would help you.

Again. Knock off the self-defeatist attitude. Anyone around you who is enabling that is a crappy person (and yeah, your husband falls under that too if he isn’t at least telling you to pick up the phone to the BO).

You don’t know a thing about your horse anymore because outside of a board payment, you have abandoned him. Your BO is not a bad person. Stop telling yourself they are. If being yelled at over a horse dentist when someone has been subsidizing your board for years is the reason you haven’t spoken to him/her - shame on you. They’ve been helping you, while you’ve been mooching off their good graces and talking smack about them. yuck!

Finally - we’ve all been around someone like you (g). A million solutions here (for the meds, for the horse, for the BO conversation, for the lack of wheelchair access, everything), not all of them are life-terminating or whatever. Yet you have an excuse for every single blessed one why it’s too haaaaaard to get it done. Probably most of us have walked away from you (g) because it’s exhausting to be around someone who tries to leech sympathy and concern, and then won’t do a single thing to improve the situation.

OP - look in the mirror. Some of what you’re going through you have inflicted upon yourself. Some of the strife you’re going through you could end right now with a phone call and a quick drive. You need to understand why you don’t want to do it, and stop asking people for advice when you’re not interested in actually pursuing ANYthing related to a solution. It will never get better if you don’t want it to get better, and right now - by saying NO to everything, even a phone call and a drive - you clearly do not want the situation to improve. Why?

And with that, I’m done. Grow a pair, OP. You are not a victim here. Figure it out.

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OP, I have to agree with everything that @endlessclimb said above. When you started this thread, everyone was 1,000% sympathetic with your decision. But whether it is the depression triggered by the terrible fate that you were dealt as a result of your accident, or something else, I think all of us are incredibly frustrated with you by now.

You say this horse is everything to you, you are absolutely certain he isn’t in much pain, but he is a half hour away and you haven’t seen him in years and years.

You say that the barn owner is a terrible person and is cruel to you, but she’s charging you half board and if you haven’t been able to afford a dentist in years for an old horse or see your horse, I’m guessing she’s doing lots of little things for the horse she’s not charging you for.

Although people in this thread have shared heartfelt stories of putting their beloved equine partners down, you stubbornly refer to this as “killing.” You seem to equate being a good horse owner with writing a check, versus making informed decisions and reaching out for information to make those decisions.

A number of people in this thread have dealt with chronic health conditions, or know people who have, and many of the suggestions given to you (taking to the barn owner and making amends, making arrangements to see the horse in a wheelchair-accessible area, talking to a vet, talking to a disability or healthcare advocate) involve only picking up a phone, not any change to your horse’s status.

If you can’t do this, find a friend who can, and who can be objective, who knows horses.

I will have to step out of this thread as well, because it’s making me frustrated, too. I understand depression and the emotional paralysis it can cause. But if you can post here and talk to all of us, you can make a phone call. Heck, even text the barn owner.

I don’t understand the purpose of starting this thread. You don’t want to put the horse down. He is too old, expensive to maintain, and can’t be turned out with other horses, so he is not suitable for a rescue or therapeutic facility (and you couldn’t monitor his care closely at a “rougher” board situation). It doesn’t sound like you have horse friends willing and able to take him on and provide all the care your barn owner has been providing for years.

I admit, like another poster, I was starting to wonder if there was going to be an appeal for money, but even as expensive as board as getting, I truthfully think it would be very hard to get people to help you subsidize the care of a 30 year old horse at $1,000 a month, when most people who do retire their horses pay far less and would struggle even to maintain a healthy horse, paying that per month.

Okay, now I will peace out as well. I hope you can find some therapy and pain relief to deal with all you have been through.

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Horse aside…this was another spot things fell off the rails for me and I am certain we are getting a very painted picture of the whole story. If OP was fired for becoming disabled and now having to use a wheelchair, there are avenues to pursue legal action. In Ohio at least, that is a suit for wrongful termination. Not to say that is an easy or cheap road…but one that would be worth pursuing as described.

I mentioned before I have a couple chronic conditions I have to live with. I am able to manage them pretty well and I am not as limited as I could be. When I was diagnosed, it was much worse. I made an ACTIVE choice that I would not let my health define me which which has been a double edged sword. Because I keep it close to home, and “look healthy”, most people I know have no idea how I get from one day to the next and that I have far more bad days than good ones. The victim mentality shown here is why I left quite a number of support groups. They were echo chambers of doom, “nobody has it as bad as I do”, people alienating themselves etc which I found that to be entirely counter productive and quite unsupportive in actuality. This all tracks here and the well intentioned, good advice will likely fall on deaf ears.

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“said I’m going to put my healthy horse down”

No, you have not, you have whined about how you:
*Can’t see the horse yourself
So you really have no idea what shape he’s in.
*Can’t call the vet
Because you are inventing how that call will go
*Can’t comprehend that euthanasia is not “killing”
So it’s better for the horse to suffer out of your sight, since it’s unlikely pictures get taken when he’s at his worst.
Yeah, I find your constant use of that term super offensive

I think I’m speaking for a lot of us (apologies if I’m wrong) when I say what is “super offensive” is partly the Poor Me tale you keep embellishing with outlandish details - $5K per month on a horse? WTEverlovingEff? :open_mouth: - but mostly your absolute refusal to do anything to resolve your issues with regard to keeping this horse alive or giving him a painless, & dignified end.
Where are these legions of friends that could help you?
Probably separating themselves from The Drama.

Please, do us a favor & flounce off this thread.
There’s not enough Cardbordeaux on Earth to make me feel sympathetic for your plight anymore.
You assured that about 3 pages of whiny posts ago.

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Go into your user settings, click Preferences, then Emails, and turn off the email notifications.

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What? Literally nobody has said anything like this in this thread. If you are talking about people suggesting that it’s a problem that you’re choosing horseshoes over medication, I’d suggest that medication is not a “wish” for most people who need it.

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A casual riding horse that needs this level of support is, by definition, NOT healthy and sound. Or you got taken for a nice expensive ride. :woman_shrugging:t2:

It’s not healthy to blow your entire life savings on horse reiki.

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Oh my gosh the assumptions!

When I was spending 5 grand a month it was before my accident, when I was fully employed and when I was showing dressage. My horse was perfectly sound and there was no indication that I would be in a car accident in the future. It was 10 years ago!

As for the meds I can choose to continue having 20 days of migraines a month and keep my horse alive. I can choose to have pain or not having pain. Pain doesn’t equal death.

And your idea that a horse that isn’t perfectly sound and could be in a small amount of pain should be put down. I live in horrific pain every single day. Should I kill myself? Should my husband put me down because I am in a LOT more pain than my horse. He is way healthier than me.

Look, I get that you guys don’t understand me. And seem to be quite confused about what I’m trying to explain. I get it. I’m confusing to you.

Here is the thing. I am a disabled person who just got thrust into an unfortunate situation. I asked for advice and I got the advice.

I agree with the advice.
I have thanked you for the advice.
I will take the advice.

Why on earth are you continuing to say these unnecessary things to me? I can’t fathom that this is fun for you.

I do in a way think that it is fun for you because this is not the first time I have seen this behavior on this board. Maybe the anonymous ability to say any wild thing that comes into your brain and hurt others is super fun for you.

But it’s not really that much fun for the person being very misunderstood. For the person who is already having a hard time. For the person repeatedly thanking you for the advice.

This isn’t fun. This is certainly not a safe place for people. And that is really sad that you are making something that is already hard into something that is horribly offensive. I hope that you all are really happy that you have made things harder and more uncomfortable for me.

Mission accomplished. Horse is dead.

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QFP

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:open_mouth: So all this happened in the space of 2h?
*Called vet
*Vet rushed to farm
*Horse euthed
*OP took to her keyboard to lambaste us Unbelievers

:clap::clap::clap:
Good on you.
You left the Land of Yabbut & took action.
Horse is done.
You are done.
Publish the novel & B’bye :wave:

corking the Cardbordeaux & putting clingfilm over the uneaten guac**
*Cuz something tells me the Tale is not yet Finally Told.

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Hey Peregrine?

Please go see your horse. There is no reason you cannot go see him. There is no reason you cannot establish a dialogue with the person who’s been caring for him.

You have continued to INSIST he’s a “healthy horse” but you DON’T know that, because you refuse to see him, and you refuse to speak to the person who sees him every day.

There is nothing preventing you from seeing him & talking to the barn owner…but you. Truly, I encourage you to consider why you think these two things are so impossible. Because they absolutely are not. This is a choice you’re making.

And please stop drawing parallels between animals living in pain and people living with pain. You have a rich life beyond & outside of the pain you feel. You have relationships, you have dreams, you have the concept of tomorrow. Animals have none of those. If they hurt, the ONLY thing they experience is that pain. They’re trapped in it. Why would you want that?

Even if your finances no longer force this decision right now, this should be a wake up call that your horse is rapidly nearing the end of his life. It’s exceedingly unlikely that he will just lay down one night and just peacefully pass in his sleep. As the owner, you owe it to him to him to really understand what his reality is like, so you can make proactive, compassionate decisions about his care, and end of life. Or you need to put those decisions in the hands of someone who can make them.

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Get out of here with this nonsense. My husband is a 100 percent disabled veteran. He was blown up in Iraq and went through surgery after surgery just to have basic human function. I saw, and still see, how he struggles every single day. My sister is 100 percent disabled and uses a wheelchair. She suffers from debilitating chronic pain and will the rest of her life. I also see her pain and struggles. I’ve been in a wheelchair personally, after I fractured my back, after bilateral knee surgery, after surgical complications, etc. YOU are offensive, nothing to do with whether or not you have a disability. You are so damn dramatic.

I will tell you the difference in you and me and other people on this board, someone that actually goes above and beyond for their animals. I made SURE that all my horses were in good health and not suffering for my sake. Wheelchair or not, post op or not, suffering or not, I still ’managed to get to the barn and see my horses. I still made house calls. I still personally arranged vet care, farrier care, dental care, whatever they needed. I still had eyes on my horses. I didn’t just trust the word of someone I couldn’t even speak to. You act as if posters here are just terrible people but I bet they actually know their horses are okay. You act as if everyone wants you to euthanize your horses “TODAY,” yet absolutely no one has said that. You’ve made that offensive insinuation. The only thing anyone has given actual urgency to is CALLING your BO and going to go SEE YOUR HORSE in person so you know FOR A FACT your horse, at 30 years of age, is not suffering.

You throw money around as if you’ve given better care than anyone here and have bought your horse’s health. That is absurd. People here have provided better care to their horses than you, I guarantee, but they aren’t delusional enough to believe money bought long life. They aren’t delusional enough to believe that euthanasia doesn’t happen despite wads of money thrown at their horses. You are also delusional to believe that people haven’t gone above and beyond for their horses, made personal sacrifices, day in, day out, people without wads of cash that do the hard work, that pinch every penny to give the best they can to their horses. How insulting to say that you are the only one to sacrifice for your horse. How naive of you to say this when you don’t even know the current state of your horse and are too pitiful to call and find out.

God, you make my blood boil.

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Totally agree. Hasn’t been able to even call the BO in years or even see the horse, but somehow in two hours - BO was contacted, owner went out, owner said goodbyes, vet made a farm call and the horse was euthanized with time for the owner to drive home and update us on our “victory.” Because some how, owner thinks all we want is for horses to die. My gut tells me the owner will continue to play the victim, think everyone in the world is at fault, and the poor horse will suffer needlessly and die a catastrophic death. This thread just sucks.

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No one else is responsible for you. You’re responsible for your horse.

No one is saying don’t be upset. They’re saying be upset but take responsibility.

You say we’re making assumptions, but I am willing to bet my entire bank account every single person here has experienced trauma firsthand, and disability if not first than second. You are not the only person bad things have happened to. We were trying to use that experience to help you with yours.

All that being said, now I can break out the wine I was saving for my glorious celebration of your horse’s death since as you so kindly pointed out, “mission accomplished”, as we wanted all along. :roll_eyes:

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All I am going to say is - what a blessing that an old horse has been given a kind final farewell.

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