They do at Keeneland and Fasig Tipton .
Ocala has a “Winter Mixed” sale in January, which I expect would include broodmares. The catalog isn’t up online yet.
Lots of broodmares in the Keeneland sale. https://www.keeneland.com/livevideo/…deowithcat.php
Wondered what happened to him. Haven’t heard anything in a bit.
wonder what he’ll sell for.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/237019/southern-phantom-draws-crowd-at-keeneland-november
I don’t follow the sales near as closely as skydy does but caught this article with photo from BH on Southern Phantom by Bodemeister as hip 3111 at Keeneland November as racing or stallion prospect. Doesn’t appear to have a sparkling race record… 7 starts, two thirds in maiden company.
I’m hopeless at remembering the different kinds of paint/pinto markings but he is quite striking for a TB with very high white on the legs and very bald face with blue eye.
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I didn’t think that many would. I’m surprised that they scope weanlings.
For reference, I sold a weanling at Keeneland last Friday in Book 2. His repository scope was an A. He was scoped two additional times by prospective buyers. However, my understanding is that several active bidders (including his ultimate buyer) did not scope him. I’d say he was a “middle market” weanling - it’s certainly possible he would have been scoped more times had he been a super high end hip.
Thanks @nelson . Why do you think people do not accept the repository scope results?
Also, I have noticed that racing/stallion prospects often are “Outs”. Is it because they are sold privately before the sale or are there other reasons?
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They really do scope them that much? So, does everyone interested use their own vet? They won’t trust another vet’s work? I just find it odd that a horse would be scoped so much for one sale! But, I’m not familiar with the Thoroughbred market. Just find it odd! I know in the sporthorse world at least, if a horse has been scoped previously, a prospective buyer may ask to have their vet review the results but typically they wouldn’t re-scope. Interesting.
That is a handsome PON horse. Wow.
Nero looked really handsome in the ring. beautiful horse
skydy, having a video scope in the repository is a new thing in the US. (slightly older elsewhere). The first video scopes were available at this year’s Fasig Tipton July sale. About 50% of the sellers provided them and their results were definitely mixed. The majority of buyers said that they preferred not to use them–instead wanting their own vet to do the scope even if one was already available
That info was borne out by our experience in September where the entire consignment we were part of had video scopes in the respository and none were looked at even once. Instead, yearlings continued to be scoped as usual at the barns.
Hopefully they’ll become the norm soon, but there is still a lot of resistance to the idea.
Yes. Yes. And no.
(Bear in mind that scoping is a big money maker for the vets. $125-150 each for something that takes 10 minutes to do. So the vets have a vested interest in “not trusting” each other’s work.)
The most scopes we’ve ever had (on one horse) was 13. I’ve heard of top selling horses having as many as 20.
Racetrack vets are really picky–which is ironic when you consider that the area being scoped continues to change and develop from the time a horse is a weanling to a yearling, to when it’s ready to race. In most cases, a throat improves with age–and a scope obviously only shows one moment in time.
Thanks LaureB. I hope the videos will soon be accepted. I feel sorry for the little weaners especially,being scoped multiple times.
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Wow, that is quite interesting! You learn something new everyday.
Sometimes when I have been looking at a horse for sale that has previous xrays etc, I will have them forwarded to my vet (who I DO trust to guide me correctly in my decisions), and pay them to review it. I just thought it odd that having been scoped once, other vets just wouldn’t go over the previous findings.
The difference between xrays and a scope however, is that a scope can’t be forwarded to someone else for review (unless it’s been videoed, which is not the way they’re normally done.) So although a previous vet might have perhaps written down his findings (sales horses are usually graded A thru F) the report may not have all the detail a current vet is seeking.
Breathing is a big deal for racehorses, so it’s something that buyers/owners/trainers really want to get exactly right.
There are some very handsome horses being sold. The difference in their yearling prices and what they are bringing here reminds me of automobile prices. One used, the price drops very significantly. 
If it gets to be too much (for a weanling or a yearling) a consignor will often refuse to continue scoping and instead offer a list of the previous vets who’ve scoped the horse that day so the remaining vets can choose one to get a report from. This usually only happens in the case of very very popular horses and since–at least in KY–nearly all the TB vets know each other, an accommodation can usually be made.
Oh yes, there is definitely some sticker shock to be had when reselling. :lol:
southern phantom sold for 20k. i’d take the consignment sold right before him. WOW!
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation!!
Awww a bit sad.
Although his horses never really made it “big”. I’ve enjoyed following the white horses over the years.
Sometimes a consignor will tell prospective buyers that hip xxx will be scoped at a set time and if you are interested have your vet come take a look then.
On a different note, I know of a filly running tomorrow that in 4 starts a 2 has made over $159k. 3 different vets scoped her and all gave her D/F. It’s not an exact science.
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