Novice needs advices on naughty horse (We have a baby!)

[ivy62]

As far as Stallions living and working together, the best example of this is the Spanish Riding School… ALL the show horses are stallions, they work in close quarters and travel with each other and have been doing it for centuries…
Good luck with him and I hope it all works out.
Has Peter been riding at all? and when are you going to ride? So much news you have to bring to us, boy, think back only a year or so ago you had NO horses! heehee!!

Welcome to the horse world, I think you could teach a lot of people a lot of things…

CHEERS! I raise my glass to you!

[Doodlebug1]

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[harveyhorses]

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That sums up how your posts make me feel. You and Peter are wonderful, thank you for sharing all your adventures.

[AnnaCrew]

Here he is
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/29-07-09daugavarrival/PICT4458.jpg
saying hello to other horses

ivy, Peter has not been riding now for 4 days - on Saturday we were at friends wedding and then we needed to fence 15 acres before the boy arrives. We nearly did it - now we are putting the second line on, it is just few hours job.

Before he was taking 2 riding lessons every day at 2 different trainers and in 2 different towns. His hands are not right still, but Giva under his training is jumping over a meter.
At trainers it looked like this
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/07-07-09/PICT3414.jpg
at home now this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gErhgbxXIps&feature=channel_page

He works really hard and has had improved, but still a long way to go
Me… I’m getting used to the idea of having some lessons, but just some if my broken finger will mend quickly.

[Fantastic]

Bless your heart for trying to save all of these unwanted horses! You are a saint!

The new stallion does look severely DSLD, poor guy! The original owners probably knew something was terribly wrong with him, and this was why he was disposed of and passed along. They should have gelded him. Poor guy looks very uncomfortable and crippled in the video of the girl riding him.

Degenerative Suspensory Ligament Desmitis
also known as
Equine Systemic Proteoglycan Accumulation

Here is an excellent website about DSLD, research, and prognosis: http://www.dsldequine.info/

[Fantastic]

We do not recommend riding or breeding DSLD/ESPA affected horses.

http://yahoogroups.com/group/DSLD-equine/

[AnnaCrew]

I know your concerns, but not him, not his offsprings (10, registered, checked, oldest from 1997) have no DSLD.
yes, he looks terrible, but there is long story behind it. Farrier is already here and says that there is torn tendons (ligaments, I am not sure about right translation, whatever, you got idea about showjumping injury) and mistreated hoofs. Some will improve, some, of course, not.

With DSLD here no stallion would be certificied, sorry. We are not talking about BYB breeding - he has gov approval to be a stud. Even suspicion on possibility of DSLD… no certificate.

So do not worry, please, vet will check him ASAP, farrier is already here and all in all - it is NOT ME to decide is he breeding stallion or not. Gov representatives, qualified, do that. Not me. We have a bit different rules here. As I said, yes, I can breed by mares with any stallon, my choice, but if he is not approved and has no certificate, I can have foal, but no papers. Here actually you can not sell horse without papers.

[Fantastic]

ESPA/DSLD is a systemic disorder:

Histopathological examination revealed the presence of excessive amounts of proteoglycans in the following tissues removed from DSLD-affected horses: suspensory ligaments, superficial and deep digital flexor tendons, patellar and nuchal ligaments, cardiovascular system, and sclerae.

So it sounds like he doesn’t have it, but ESPA/DSLD does not just effect the suspensory ligaments, but also effects other ligaments like those of the hocks, giving a post legged appearance: http://s450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/22-07-09Daugav/?action=view&current=PICT4416.jpg

That’s great that it sounds like you are well informed and know what you are getting into! That is good that he has already been tested and is negative, but DSLD tends to afflict warmbloods over the age of 15, or horses are subjected to intense work loads, or have sustained a prior suspensory desmitis (injury). He is 17 years, I think? Yes, there have been approved stallions that have had DSLD, so it is possible that yours has it, approval for breeding and all.

DSLD research is relatively new (last 10 years), with most of the research being conducted in the US. I did not know they had DSLD tests over there. What University did the testing?

but not him, not his offsprings (10, registered, checked, oldest from 1997) have no DSLD.

Did they use Flexion and Ultrasound, or Blood Iron Testing, or Tissue Diagnosis to do the tests?

Over 90% of the time DSLD starts and predominantly affects the suspensory ligament (SL) branches
It is highly unusual for a horse to have BOTH suspensory ligments torn. The only way to determine if the suspensory ligaments are torn is to have a veterinarian ultrasound them. If they are indeed torn, that can be a product of having DSLD.
What distinguishes DSLD apart from just an injury is the progressive, continual enlargement of the suspensory ligaments, primarily in the branches, over time, in more than one limb

What stud book is he approved in and do you know why he was not used more for breeding? He is 16 years+ and approved, but why does he only have 10 offspring?

[beesknees]

[QUOTE=AnnaCrew;4269471]
Here he is
Before he was taking 2 riding lessons every day at 2 different trainers and in 2 different towns. His hands are not right still, but Giva under his training is jumping over a meter.
At trainers it looked like this
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/07-07-09/PICT3414.jpg
at home now this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gErhgbxXIps&feature=channel_page

He works really hard and has had improved, but still a long way to go
Me… I’m getting used to the idea of having some lessons, but just some if my broken finger will mend quickly.[/QUOTE]

They’re a lovely pair. Giva is such a nice calm horse–great for Peter as he keeps on improving!

What happened to your finger?! Did I miss that update?

[AnnaCrew]

![](y poor finger along with 2 others happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time - they were on the stable door when Puika decided to press against the door with his chest to get closer to me for a hug all three fingers were hurting then but the middle one appeared to be broken actually. Nothing exciting but just completely wrong time - on top of summer season.

Anyway, so far so good - our new boy is trying really hard to be a good boy.
He was standing perfect for a farrier so Peter took him out for a walk in pastures.
(BTW, Peter walked with him past all our other horses in narrow aisle (our problem - main aisle is really narrow for a stable, hardly 2 meters so basically horses can nearly reach each other in the opposite side.)

Guess what? He was nice and polite, and all our horses responded the same way - polite sniff and that was it. No aggro at all.

I’m really sweet boy, trust me, I really am!
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/29-07-09daugavarrival/PICT4501.jpg

Size difference
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/29-07-09daugavarrival/PICT4529.jpg

Walking with Peter and Barry (our oldest GSD)
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/29-07-09daugavarrival/PICT4510.jpg

Checking out water
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/29-07-09daugavarrival/PICT4506.jpg

and a bit of funny boy
[IMG]http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/29-07-09daugavarrival/PICT4500.jpg)
Peter took him out on halter, no lead, and he was perfect. He even run when you call him. And he is not really a handful (Puika is much harder to handle, really). Somebody had really worked hard to get his ground manners right.

[ChocoMare]

HUBBA HUBBA! :yes:

[beesknees]

my gosh…how big is he again???

I hope your fingers heal quickly!

Careful with taking a horse out without a lead line–I’ve seen someone break fingers dong that…she also was wearing crocs (soft rubber sandle type things, guh!) and broke 3 toes–sigh!

[AnnaCrew]

He is 18 h precisely by passoprt - 180 cm at withers. A bit too big maybe, but proportional, so not too bad.

They can broke bones of feet in any shoes - last summer Shella barefoot stepped on my foot in steel boots - and broke few little bones. Later, with shoes on, stepped on niece’s (6 yo then) - only bruised, nothing serious.

[cllane1]

Anna, the new guy is STUNNING! Any chance of a shipment of cooled semen to the USA (just kidding…sort of)? His head and eye remind a lot of some Thoroughbreds I know, only he’s much bigger!

[AnnaCrew]

Thank You! By his sire he has TB in Look at his pedigree - some old TB names you might recognize
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/daugavietis

So far I’m just plain happy that we took him - he is a really sweet boy. Of course, he is stallion thus hormones and so on, but today, in new place… he did not even tried to touch the white tape (and he does not know what the electric fencing is) - he just look at it and realised that these are boundaries. And it was it. His paddock will have much higher fence, but anyway - it is such a relief now to know that he is such a good boy as he looked last week.

[outofthebox]

That face! Could it be any sweeter? You did a good thing, Anna, I already see his eye is softer and relaxed.
I would trust your vet to determine if his problem with the right hind is genetic or injury.
Because it is only affected in one leg, it is quite possible for it to be an old injury that was not allowed to rest and heal and because he seems to be such a good boy I am sure he tried very hard to keep working, even though he was in a lot of pain.

[Fantastic]

My apologies - I missed that part were it only effected one leg! Sorry!

He is absolutely stunning! I can see how you would be smitten with him; I would be too! Infact, I am! That first picture of his face; such a beautiful face and a lovely, kind eye. His neck and front are very beautiful, too!

[AnnaCrew]

Sonora II is 2 mo old

Hello, my name is Sonora II and I’m 2 mo old now!

Of course, I am the prettiest girl in the whole World!
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/31-07-09/PICT4605.jpg

I am 12,1 h at withers (mum says that my bum is much higher, huh) and growing like a weed
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/31-07-09/PICT4687.jpg
and all in all I am very good girl. Honestly!
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/31-07-09/PICT4654.jpg

Thanks to my serious trainer, I can now:

Wear the halter (it was easy)
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/31-07-09/PICT4650.jpg

Lift all 4 legs in different angles
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/31-07-09/PICT4743.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/31-07-09/PICT4740.jpg

And (sometimes) I lift my front legs on voice command
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/31-07-09/PICT4738.jpg

And I do step back when trainer asks and I do not nip at all now!
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/31-07-09/PICT4706.jpg

Of course, I can run and jump
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/31-07-09/PICT4613.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/31-07-09/PICT4614.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/31-07-09/PICT4631.jpg

And one day I will jump this one too
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/31-07-09/PICT4643.jpg

I can play with my canine friends
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/31-07-09/PICT4670.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/31-07-09/PICT4731.jpg
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/31-07-09/PICT4722.jpg

but most of all I love my trainer
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq222/ozolkalni/31-07-09/PICT4703.jpg

[Lieslot]

Oh dear, I’m doing catch-up again. It’s really life in the fast lane at your farm Anna!

Dagy is a nice boy! I love the size. So Dagy + Giva should give a good size horse right, I might be interested ;).

Well done for taking him. He’s already got that happy “I’m-living-on-Anna-&-Peter’s-farm-look” on his face :).

And as for the Sonora’s (am I right in thinking this is your niece Sonora with little Sonora II?), they are bonding so well. Your niece must be enjoying this so much. Beautiful pics, putting a smile on my face. :yes:

[AnnaCrew]

@Lieslot;4276090

O So Dagy + Giva should give a good size horse right, I might be interested ;).

Lieslot, OK, agreed, just for you! :lol: Giva is 17.2, Daggy 18h , if I try hard feeding foal with strong pellets when weaned, we may reach 19 h mark. Think about transport costs as we shall need pay as for transporting giraffe. And about new reins as well - driving reins will be suitable, I presume. What height is your stable ceiling?