I was assuming liquid, not a bottle of pills.
Unfortunate death of Steve Asmussen foreman, Kesmarc’s 27-year-old Harry “Hub” Johnson Jr. , confirmed. Details to follow.
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Laurie that stuff is to treat arthritis and last time I ckecked arthritis is painful. The injection is an anti imflammatory lubricant to help alleviate the pain from the descruction of the joint as well as protect it and cushion it. The pill is another anti imflammatory/pain relief med. Magic Cushion is used to help alleviate sore feet. So if he’s that bad I can understand making him comfortable but not jumping him.[/QUOTE]
I’m jumping in the middle here without reading anything before this but I did want to point out that vets I know recommend keeping an arthritic horse working at some level, if at all possible. It helps with current and future arthritis. It’s far better than throwing a horse out in a field to do nothing. And some horses really love to jump, so keeping a horse like that jumping may be best for its overall health - having joy in life keeps you young.
I myself have arthritis but certainly do not intend to retire myself to a field somewhere. 
Liz
Thanks Liz but I have chosen to ignore the ignorance rather than attempt to reason with it.
I hope to god the suicide was in no way related to the PETA debacle
He lost his dad recently but I am sure that didn’t help. I don’t think any outside event can cause someone to decide to end their life but if they are already feeling that way it can be the deciding factor. So young too.
He didn’t lose his father recently. DRF corrected that info
That’s weird. Still sad no matter the situation.
Yes it is, it really does make you wonder though…
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. One sport I do is endurance (50 to 100 miles in one day) and there are NO drugs allowed in that. [/QUOTE]
Sorry, but this cracked me up. Just google “Sheikh Mohammed FEI scandal drugs” … They may not be “allowed,” but that’s definitely not a sport that is completely clean…
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Sorry, but this cracked me up. Just google “Sheikh Mohammed FEI scandal drugs” … They may not be “allowed,” but that’s definitely not a sport that is completely clean…[/QUOTE]
Ha ha, also funny that someone is condemning a little bute but they ride 50+ miles per ride?!sure that is fun for the horse!
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Sorry, but this cracked me up. Just google “Sheikh Mohammed FEI scandal drugs” … They may not be “allowed,” but that’s definitely not a sport that is completely clean…[/QUOTE]
You should google some more because the sheik mo story is causing a huge stir because it is NOT the way endurance is conducted in the US and I believe the rest of the world. AERC(american endurance ride conference) is actually considering cutting ties with FEI because of this. Drugs and breakdowns and disposable horses are seriously not part of endurance. I they were, id have no problem stating so. I have no agenda.
Look, I participate in lots of horse sports and go to the races my share of times…in fact am going tomorrow. I can’t help myself…I’ve been watching since I was a kid and I love tbs. But I can’t stand by and watch some of the garbage that goes down and defend it.
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Saratoga, I agree with your post. However, in any sport, any time the prize becomes the most important part of the process, you will have cheaters and ethical issues. Drugs and ethics are problems in most equine sports, and many sports where only humans participate as well.
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Saratoga, I agree with your post. However, in any sport, any time the prize becomes the most important part of the process, you will have cheaters and ethical issues. Drugs and ethics are problems in most equine sports, and many sports where only humans participate as well.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I totally agree and I don’t think that individuals involved in racing are any different than anyone else. Money attracts greedy people who will do all kinds of things to win. If endurance rides offered big purses instead of tshirts, you bet there would be people pulling out the pharmacy, going through horses like crazy to get the one who could win next month, and everything else you can possibly think of. I don’t think that AERC members want to see that happen. They don’t want to participate in it or see it at rides that they go to. If good people in racing continue to do nothing, that’s wrong in my opinion.
Totally blown away by Maggi Moss’s response to the suicide…and poof, gone from FB.
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Totally blown away by Maggi Moss’s response to the suicide…and poof, gone from FB.[/QUOTE]
I read it and I get it. Apparently she knows that his family feels its in some way connected to the scandal. The lesson here is not to crucify people based on internet .
I’ve read on a lot about this whole fiasco, never once did I see his name mentioned.
And she has jumped on quite a few people and tried to crucify them on FB lately for running horses over the age of 8. She used names and locations and encouraged people to call the Stewards.
However, I do appreciate what she does, and is good for the sport. But god forbid you are running an older horse that she feels should be retired, she has zero qualms about outing you on FB. (I have two very nice sound horses at my farm, one that retired at 11, and another at 12. Between the two they earned 1.2 million).
My point is that these horses were very well looked after during their careers. Just because they are older and were no longer stake horses doesn’t mean they should have been retired. As long as they are happy doing their job social media shouldn’t force a trainer to sell/retire them.
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And she has jumped on quite a few people and tried to crucify them on FB lately for running horses over the age of 8. She used names and locations and encouraged people to call the Stewards.
However, I do appreciate what she does, and is good for the sport. But god forbid you are running an older horse that she feels should be retired, she has zero qualms about outing you on FB. (I have two very nice sound horses at my farm, one that retired at 11, and another at 12. Between the two they earned 1.2 million).
My point is that these horses were very well looked after during their careers. Just because they are older and were no longer stake horses doesn’t mean they should have been retired. As long as they are happy doing their job social media shouldn’t force a trainer to sell/retire them.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I’ve seen that. She is somewhat aligned with a group of people who are extremist and attempt to publicly shame people on the internet who run older horses or horses who have had time off. They think they can tell what goes on in your barn from the computer by just looking at past performances. I mean sometimes horses have breathing problems that are resolved or something that can explain 20 length losses or time off. Occasionally they put misinformation out and delete it later with no retraction. I think sometimes good is done (horses found starving, etc) but it goes too far.
I think Maggie gives their scary agenda legitimacy which is unfortunate. However, we do need people speaking up who actually participate in the sport and respect their horses. Maybe she can help find some middle ground.
