Fair enough, I was speaking just in terms of dressage (I’ve never seen either breed jump).
Definitely agree there!
Since you replied to me, I wanted to clarify that I meant Appaloosas in my earlier comment which was backing up another person’s mention of Apps.
I have indeed encountered App breeders who are focused on breeding for sport. (This might be the breeder that I met: https://rugbycreeksporthorses.com/ )
The sport Apps I’ve mostly encountered have mostly been eventers, but I’ve seen them at USDF shows, too. (FWIW, the ApHC allows some outcrossing to TBs and Arabs as well as to QHs so some registered Apps reflect characteristics from those breeds.)
This one is a mix (but certainly not with any traditional dressage breeds): https://horsesdaily.com/article/accidental-appaloosa-stands-out-small-tour-dressage-rockies
I didn’t mention Knabstruppers because I didn’t consider them an “off-breed” and suspect their pricing may not be in the
Like, sub-$10K for nice prospect with no limits under age 10?
parameter mentioned by the OP. They can be excellent dressage horses, of course!!
I remain in the “select based on the individual” camp. There are some suitable horses for the OP’s requirements from various kinds of breeds and breeding.
What’s varnish in this context?
The Arabs I have here are not “hot”. Sensitive and responsive, yes, but not what I think of as “hot”. Some of mine are natural “Steady Eddys”. A few are the slightly insecure type that need a slower approach to build confidence, but are solid partners who try to please their riders when they trust them. The temperament is a big part of what drew me to these lines.
I’ve also seen an eagerness to jump in many of the ones that I’ve been able to have started over fences. (I no longer jump, but some of the trainers that I have work with young horses are eventers.) Obie, my stallion is doing well in dressage, but he also showed aptitude for jumping and for adjustability on cross country at the 70 day test.
These three images are from the 70 day SPT.
And currently happy doing upper level dressage
Thank you for posting the video. Happy horse happy rider.
I just learned it’s a color/pattern found in Appaloosas.
Yes. They don’t usually have actual polka dot spots but a pattern of roaning that is similar to what a blanket Appaloosa might have. And of course all the regular Appaloosa traits like human eyes and striped feet and thin tails.
Not very educated at all – but the sire’s bloodlines are ones I’d consider to be “sporty.”
I grew up with several friends who had Arabs or Anglos and they did jumpers and dressage and they were all absolutely fabulous.
I don’t find them hot myself either but that’s basically the comments I have gotten when talking about breeding my mare to an Arab.
This is your stallion?! Is he currently standing? He is stunning!!
Oh, that must be what Bennie is.
I just moved not too long ago and I was unpacking photos the other day and this is just timely… this is my varnish Appaloosa Snapple who was the most amazing pony ever.
I remember I got marked down for arguing with the tester in Pony Club because I insisted varnish was a colour because I was Appaloosa obsessed
Yes, this is my homebred boy Obie. He is in training and showing so has a limited breeding book so I can best serve the mare owners while balancing his sport career. He has 2 Anglo foals so far, one is a coming 4 gelding and the other is a yearling filly.
You can PM me here on COTH for more info, or e-mail me at dawnjl@faeriecourtfarm.com
More photos: https://www.facebook.com/FaerieCourtFarmSportHorses and https://www.facebook.com/FCFOberonsVanity
I can also refer you to other potential candidates including a young Arab stallion that has begun an eventing career.
Kate Farris at Ensigns Grace Farm, located in PA. Kate has been breeding Morgan Sport horses for 25 years. She currently has double-Statesman; Statesman/Ulendon; and Statesman/Kennebec lines for sale. She will be crossing the Statesman/Whippoorwill lines for the first time this coming year.
As an example, here is a 3yo with 30 days groundwork, sale pending:
My now 25 y.o Foundation Appy. Topped out at 2nd level because of an injury, but still schoolmastering on!
Usually they start mostly solid… then the white spreads, color staying on head, shoulders, hips, etc longer but the white takes over more and more with age.
oooh he is a handsome boy!
I think she means naturally supple, loose muscles, tends to use body well. This is what makes a horse able to collect correctly when the time comes. Propensity to “thoroughness”.
Not straight dressage, but there are 2 Anglo-Arabs in this year’s KY 3 Day Event 5*:
MW GANGSTER’S GAME, ridden by Daniel Clasing, is a 16.2 hand gelding born 2010, by Solitair out of Fernhill City Girl. They scored a very respectable 29.6 in dressage.
VERMICULUS, ridden by Lauren Nicholson, is a 15.3 hand gelding born 2007, by Serazim out of Wake Me Gently.
I think the only other “off-breed” is Honor Me, ridden by Lisa Ferguson. He is by Brynarian Brenin (a welsh cob) out of a TB mare, Dream Contessa. But he’s a big boy at 17.1 hands! And a gelding born in 2006.
According to HorseTelex MW Gangster’s Game is an AES (Anglo European Studbook) Warmblood https://www.horsetelex.com/horses/pedigree/1939297/mw-gangster-s-game
I was checking for Arab-breds at K3DE earlier today and found the breed error for MW Gangster’s Game when I tracked down the actual pedigree. He has a KWPN sire and an ISH dam.
Vermiculus is awesome. As mentioned earlier in this thread he also wasn’t a fluke. His older full brother was Lauren’s first international level event horse.