Off to see the wizard - Buck Brannaman clinic this weekend in SC!

I’m excited. The great man hisself is coming to Pendleton, SC this weekend and I’m going to go and sit and soak up some knowledge.:smiley:

I saw Buck, The Movie, and while it was a really good movie it didn’t tell me much about the clinician.

But then, thanks to a COTH’er, I joined GiddyUpFlix and rented Three Legends, Three Masters. And watched Buck work with a 3 yr old colt.

Now, I have a wonderful teacher IRL who’s worked with me and my horse this past year and I’ve learned tons from her - but somehow, watching the DVD gave me one of those Helen Keller, Miracle Worker, W-A-T-E-R kind of moments. No doubt because my wonderful teacher IRL laid the foundation - but damn, I’m excited to see more of what this guy can do!

Anybody else going?

Have fun! I am a big fan of Buck’s and got to ride in a NorCal clinic earlier this year. If you go to my blog in my sig line you can go back to April or May to read my report and see pictures.

Watching his 7 Clinics DVDs really changed the way I work with Mac, and for the better. Listening to him explain things really clarified some aids for me that you think I would have figured out after riding for 30 years or so! I appreciate his patience with the horses and his willingness to help people.

Some find him a bit abrasive with people, as he might “pick on” someone who is really having problems. I saw that in my clinic, but to me he was meeting people where they were and trying to help get through to them how to do things.

I wish I had the money and the time and the rig to follow him around and watch more clinics - there’s so much to learn. I’ve gone to some other clinics this year but Buck’s was my favorite - maybe it was because it was my first one and I went in being so nervous and came out being more confident.

Keep your ears open, pay attention, soak it up!

Thanks, Pocket Pony. :slight_smile: I’m going to look at your blog from the clinic tomorrow when it’s not so close to my bedtime. Glad to hear you recommend the 7 Clinics DVDs - I ordered them today.

No worries about abrasiveness. I preface this story by saying how much I love my instructor, but - I once overheard someone at ringside preparing his GF to have a lesson with her by saying “Now, remember when you were in the Marine Corps? You had a Drill Instructor, right?” :lol:

I wonder if the movie made people expect something different? The 3 Legends DVD just made him seem like most instructors - nice fellow, but someone who doesn’t put up with a fool. :slight_smile:

Anyway, I’m just auditing. This time. :slight_smile: But monstrpony from Cullowhee NC posts about Buck a lot - maybe she can hook me up with a clinic I can ride in next year.

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If you ever get the chance to ride, do take advantage of it. I got so much more from participating than I would have if I were just watching. Of course part of that was that it was a new environment for my horse and he was exposed to lots of things that he hadn’t been exposed to before (overnight locked in a stall, working in an arena with 30 horses, crowds of people around, loud music, loud bleachers, etc) and he did great! Some things you just can’t duplicate at home…

pAin’t–

:frowning: I did a calendar blooper this year. All along, I thought Buck was the last weekend in Sept, in which case I’d have to miss it anyway due to my girls having an IHSA show that weekend. I committed to taking my dog to his first agility trial this coming weekend, and then checked the calendar and realized it was the actual weekend for the Buck clinic in SC. Alas, by that time, my whole agility class had decided to do our first show together at the dog show, so I didn’t feel I could back out. (I wasn’t planning to ride; both of mine are older and in good places in their work, so more to be gotten from auditing)

While you’re there auditing, hook up with Dottie Davis, the clinic organizer, and get on her list. She does a Buck clinic every other year, it moves around a bit, western NC/upstate SC. The other years, it’s done by Susan Hopkins in Walkertown (just north of Winston-Salem); she’ll probably be there at some point over the weekend, if she isn’t riding, so you can ask to get on her list as well. Dottie also does a good series of similar clinics in her non-Buck years–Brian Neubert, Joe Wolter–who are also excellent clinic experiences.

While you’re there in SC, keep an eye out for Bill Scott–he should be riding either a chestnut with a pretty white blaze, straight up in the bridle, or possibly a younger bay horse, not sure which one he’s taking. If anyone in the clinic has serious problems, Buck will probably ask Bill to work one-on-one with them, if Buck doesn’t have anyone traveling with him this trip. Bill also does clinics in our area and in mid- and eastern NC. Very much a student of Buck’s and an excellent teacher. Not a nationally-known type of clinician, but he’s the one who got me on the path, all the way to riding in the two-rein the last time I rode with Buck. Incidentally, Bill is also a spectacular farrier–Buck has on occasion asked Bill to do his horses when he’s in our area, and, as you can imagine, Buck doesn’t let just anyone put their hands on his horses.

For just plain good horsemanship eye candy, keep you eye out for Bill’s wife Leslie–she’s a mesmerizingly good rider, incredibly accurate with her timing and feel and her horses perform accordingly. She’ll probably be on a chestnut Arab, with four whites and a blaze, or possibly a bay QH gelding–both of those are probably in the hackamore now–or possibly a solid chestnut Arab in the hackamore or two-rein.

Yep, I’m going to audit :slight_smile:

Unfortunately due to my work schedule I’ll only be going on Saturday but one day is better than no days.

I can’t wait!

I audited Bryan Neubert earlier this year at the Ag Center in Fletcher, NC and really liked him too. He was very gracious with his time.

Buck isn’t really abrasive or picking–he’s giving you what you need, as fast as you need it, in a way that keeps your attention and allows you to hear it over all that you’re dealing with at a bad moment.

It looks ugly, if what you’re expecting is smiles and attaboys. It’s sometimes brutally painful from inside of it (yes, I’ve been there). But it really is nothing more than what you need in the moment, as fast as you need it, and in a way that you can hear it while dealing with the miscommunication with your horse. As long as you listen and try and don’t give up, he won’t give up on you. And when it’s over, it’s over, and you move onward.

And you have the consolation that you just gave everyone one of the best, most educational and enlightening moments of the clinic :wink:

However–if you don’t listen, if you don’t try, if you don’t read between the lines and accept that everything he says DOES apply to you … well, then you’re toast.

I got a ton from auditing a Brannaman clinic.

IMO, you need to watch all three days if you can. He has a whole system. If you pay attention and wait long enough, he’ll put all of the pieces in the puzzle. But he might not do that in some kind of orderly way! Be patient. If then, by the end of the last day, you have a question or two, by all means ask it.

What I saw, too, was him teaching a lot of exercises one can use. That will be your visual. Watch him-- his timing, when he moves and what part, when his horses move (usually a foot), and when he quits.

Pick out some other riders you like. But be warned: You’ll also watch a lot of wrong among a large group or riders, too. Mainly, you’ll see riders not giving soon enough and the horse getting a little more dull and the riders using more aids, not less, over time.

In addition to the visual, however, you have to listen for Brannaman’s explanation about how and when to use the exercise he’s teaching.

I’m no one and I make up my own horses, so take the next two opinions with a grain of salt:

  1. The really big deal about all of Brannaman’s stuff is about choosing the exercise for the job. None are meant to be done “just because” or in some prescribed order. They are applied to fix a problem you feel in your horse. They are surgical: Get the improvement you want for the moment and go do something else. Come back to the exercise (or really, the dull part or the physically weak part of your horse) later.

That can be hard to see in a clinic situation where he’s teaching the execution and use of each exercise. But take the exercises home and try them on your own horses. If you are listening and know some of the light, symmetrical feel you are aiming for, you’ll develop that sense of how to pick the right tool for the job from the Brannaman tool box.

  1. Fold what Brannaman does into your own education. Don’t think of one of his clinics (or anyone else’s for that matter) as a cult thing where you sign your brain and experience over to the church. For example, Brannaman and Dressagists have different ways of talking about how to engage the inside hind leg. My bet, however, is that they want the same thing from the horse in the end. Do what you understand and what works for you. You can study more and change more later. But the cotton pickin’ worst for a horse is a teacher/leader who doesn’t know what she’s aiming toward. That makes “getting it right” just hopeless for the horse.

Some words of warning: Let Brannaman decide how much translation he’ll do between his approach and dressage. If you ask, I think it makes him a tad defensive. He might see you as disrespectful since one can hear that dressage comparison as some absolute standard. It’s not so.

Also, don’t ask about the dangers of people over-doing things, say, over-bending the neck because so much of his system involves talk about using your hand. He’ll get pissed. He has a point: He’s not developing a system that’s fool-proof, as in “any clueless wannabe can do it and not hurt a horse.” He’s teaching a system that a great horseman can spend the rest of his life using and perfecting. There are no safety nets, even though he is teaching to people of all levels in the practice of his clinics.

I hope you enjoy auditing one of these clinics as much as I did. I know it has improved the way I am riding and teaching the horses around me.

^ very important stuff. Thanks for the perspective, mvp.

Thanks, y’all. As it turns out, my Friday hearing got cancelled, so I’ll be able to see the first and second days of the clinic.:slight_smile: Wish I could see the entire four, but I can’t really be gone from home and work that long.

So I’m leaving as soon as I get everybody fed this morning.:smiley:

Thanks, monstrpony, for the names. I’ve traded a couple of emails with Dottie already, and I’ll be sure and look up the other folks. I’d like to get on as many clinic lists as I can. Maybe you and I will run into each other down the road sometime.:slight_smile:

ruby - hope I’ll see you Saturday! I’ll be the tallish middle-aged lady with short red hair and a notebook.

mvp - thanks for the insights. I’ll be watching for all those things. This is my first BNT clinic ever (with horses), so I’m planning to just keep my mouth shut and my eyes and ears and notebook open.

I better go and pack!

Have fun!!!

Hope to see you there! I’m 40ish, long dk brown hair (with too much gray, sadly) and overweight.

Oh, and I wear glasses. Boy I sure do sound like a real prize, huh? :wink:

I wish I could go today too, but I couldn’t get off work. Have fun today!

Hope it’s a great weekend there! I am riding next weekend in Lexington, on my homebred TB girl. :yes:

Saw Buck last Friday in DE. Really enjoyed it. I am a dressage rider and saw many similarities. Hope I will be able to audit an entire day at some point. He truly is a master :slight_smile:

Awesome, DLee, I hope we get a report from your clinic!

I really enjoyed your videos from having Mindy work with your mare.

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Awesome, DLee, I hope we get a report from your clinic!

I really enjoyed your videos from having Mindy work with your mare.[/QUOTE]

Hi Fillabeana, absolutely I will! Mindy’s one on one helped me SO much, even after riding with Buck two years ago. I feel like I have a much better handle on the goals and the ‘why’s’ of so many more things than I did before because of her. This will be so good for my mare, she’s certainly never been in an arena with this many horses, but what a good place to introduce her to that. :yes:

I have never seen Buck get defensive about dressage but I have seen and heard him address the current fad of never releasing and using a forced frame :wink: He also has mentioned a time or two that the beginnings of dressage were ridden one handed, not two handed, for where would a sword go? :lol:

Enjoy the clinic!

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I hope to go to Lexington next Thurs & Fri. to audit but unfortunately I can only do the 2 days. I looking forward to it.

Have had the great fortune to ride with Buck 3 times and do his foundations class once. If you can participate in or at least audit the foundations class it will help you immensely with the ridden experience and with your horse handling at home.
I cannot testify as to whether Buck is abrasive or not. I was recently told that he said something harsh to me at the last clinic but I am so focused during the clinics that my brain filters what it considers what it considers chit chat; I have no recollection of him saying anything negative to anybody in particular.
I truly enjoy watching and riding at Buck’s clinic because it is a lesson not an infomercial about what I could do with my horse if I bought some special training do-dad. And he doesn’t care that I’m a fat middle aged woman; I’m just a student that is as eager to improve my horsemanship as the young cuties and the old cowboys.

Can’t wait to hear updates from those who attended!! (hint hint)