Off to see the wizard - Buck Brannaman clinic this weekend in SC!

I thought it was an outstanding experience.:cool: I audited the first two days of Horsemanship I and Horsemanship II (which are held each morning and afternoon, respectively, of the clinic days).

It’s hard for me to say what I learned. Not because I didn’t learn much! But because I learned such big concepts, not just a set of little exercises like one usually learns at clinics.

Like “feel.” I don’t really even understand what that means yet, but I believe it means the horse is an active participant in a partnership of horse and rider (as opposed to a passive recipient and executor of cues from the rider). Buck explained a feel as occurring when you reach for the horse and he reaches for you.

And “the sacred rectangle.” I was somewhat familiar with this concept from my instructor, who always insists the horse be “in the middle.” Of whatever. Of the washrack, of the obstacle, and most especially, of the rider. The rider gets to move “the middle” and the horse’s job is to get back “in the middle” again. But the “sacred rectangle” concept adds the idea that the rider also has a responsibility - to make the rectangle a peaceful and safe place for the horse. So again, it’s the paradigm shift of a give-and-take partnership.

I am at the stage with my instructor where I am just beginning to understand the importance and the timing of pressure and release - so it was wonderful to watch Buck illustrate those concepts and apply them to situations I haven’t run across yet. Like curing a buddy-sour horse, for example.

I liked how the exercises all seem to build on one another - the “progressions” of the exercises, which start with a basic form and add movements.

And Buck did show us a couple of handy little tricks - like how, if you’re going to lean out of the saddle, you need to push with your foot against the stirrup on the side you’re leaning towards and wrap your opposite forearm around the saddle horn. So you don’t get dumped on your head if the horse spooks.

I liked the mecate reins.:yes: I can see how it would be beneficial to be able to go right directly from a groundwork exercise to a mounted exercise without the break of switching from halter to bridle. I think I’m going to get me some of those. And go back to my snaffle bit for awhile.:slight_smile:

Finally, I thought Buck was the soul of tact. Why he even complimented our horseflies! At least, I think calling them “Boone and Crockett horseflies” was a compliment.:lol:

So glad you enjoyed it! I don’t remember if it was Buck or someone else who had a good description of feel. If you’ve ever danced with someone (like ballroom danced where the man is the “leader”), then feel is like that. You don’t 100% have to know what you are doing if you have a good leader - you just follow the feel he presents to you. A gentle bit of pressure from his hand on your back might direct you which way to go. Noticing the movement of his hips will tell you how his legs will move. A slight movement with his hand gives an instruction (I’m guessing a bit, as I’ve only danced with one person who was an amazing leader). And you don’t have to think about it so much or talk about it because learning to follow his body’s cues tells you all you need to know. And when you’re in synch it looks effortless and easy.

Feel is like that. :yes:

Thanks, Pocket Pony. Buck used the dancing analogy a couple of times.:yes: I think he must be a good dancer, since he refers to dancing fairly often. Anyway, I like that about him - way back in the day, I was an instructor at Arthur Murray.:smiley:

I loved what you said about it being hard to say what you learned because they were such big concepts, so true! I felt so much the same way two years ago when I rode for him for the first time.

It’s such fascinating stuff and I love learning it. My mare (that I started myself) is my first true product of this type of riding… it’s all on me! I feel like I still only have a small grasp on the whole thing, but I also know I am much better and more aware than I was. What a journey! Looking forward to Friday.

Thanks for the great report! :yes:

[QUOTE=DLee;7184218]
I loved what you said about it being hard to say what you learned because they were such big concepts, so true! I felt so much the same way two years ago when I rode for him for the first time.

It’s such fascinating stuff and I love learning it. My mare (that I started myself) is my first true product of this type of riding… it’s all on me! I feel like I still only have a small grasp on the whole thing, but I also know I am much better and more aware than I was. What a journey! Looking forward to Friday.

Thanks for the great report! :yes:[/QUOTE]

Thank you! :slight_smile: I wasn’t sure if my earlier post today made any sense at all.

That’s so cool you’ve started your own! I used to think it was about as likely that I’d start my own as, say, win the Grand National. I still don’t know if I’d ever do it, but at least now it doesn’t seem ridiculously impossible.

Please report back on your clinic! :slight_smile:

I love auditing Buck’s clinics and was sad to have to miss him when he came through my area recently.

A long time ago I picked up a book True Horsemanship Through Feel by Bill Dorrance. It is by far the most dog-eared book on my shelf. It also gave me a good base to appreciate Buck when I became exposed to him.

In between Bill and Buck I discovered Leslie Desmond, Bill’s biographer. I really like what she has to say too. She’s quite faithful to Bill’s concepts and style, but she has a bit of a style of her own too.

She unfortunately has edited out a LOT of her amazingly good articles from her website just recently, but a few remain that discuss feel.

http://www.lesliedesmond.com/resources/feel-and-release-articles/horse-handling-and-riding-through-feel

ahhhhh, found them, look to the bottom of the page here, section called horsemanship
http://web.archive.org/web/20110626025749/http://www.lesliedesmond.com/index.php?id=27

and this one is particularly thoughtful
http://web.archive.org/web/20110914141720/http://www.lesliedesmond.com/index.php?id=36

pity she removed them on her current site

Thanks for finding those links buck22. I saved the information in an email for future reading in case they go disappearing into the interweb again!

pAIN’T - sounds like you really enjoyed the clinic! I really want to attend one but I don’t even know where to start, I guess I need to see when he’ll be in the Northern Virginia area next. Were there a lot of people there? Huge crowds?

pAint - I looked for you but I didn’t see you. I didn’t want to go up to every redhead there and ask if they were you and make an idiot of myself or get myself kicked out :wink:

What did they do on Friday? I came for Saturday and loved it! I did hear Buck mention that he had one of his guys get on a horse on Friday and work out some things - sorry I missed that. I like to see them work on an issue.

I don’t completely understand the rectangle and the soft feel is going to take me a long time to get, I believe, but watching him demonstrate things was just awesome… Like with the buddy sour horse - he worked his horse around the Appy four or five times and then the next go 'round his horse avoided it like the plague! Fascinating.

My friend and I got to meet a man named Mike Thomas while we were out front at lunch time. He said he hired Buck to work on his ranch when Buck was 16 years old. He told us several stories about Ray Hunt, Tom & Bill Dorrance back in the day when he was taking multiple colts to their clinics and such. It was very interesting talking to him and hearing the stories. :wink:

FWIW, I think a better way to talk about feel and developing it is to talk about timing and building that.

To me, that’s a major conceptual innovation that these “ride the feet” guys bring to riding theory.

Agreed, mvp. If your timing is off, you won’t have good feel and everything will feel hard and difficult vs. easy and flowing.

A nobody trainer taught me about “riding a horse in a box” a long, long time ago. I use it and it helps me ride and train. But it takes a long time to explain what I mean.

There were more people there on Sat than on Friday. I figured there wasn’t much way we’d be able to recognize each other with all those auditors.:slight_smile:

On Friday they did pretty much the same thing as on Saturday - just on Friday it took longer because Buck was just introducing the exercises. The one where you have the hind end step over and then the front? That (unsurprisingly) took forever to show people on Friday.:slight_smile:

I can’t remember the rider’s name, but the horse was the little brown kind of ewe-necked horse ridden by a forty-ish guy with a dark mustache wearing a cowboy hat (not the straight-brimmed kind). He and his rider were back together Saturday and doing so good you probably didn’t notice anything at all different about them.:slight_smile:

But on Friday morning the little horse was really tense and reactive and stargazing (or “duck huntin” as Buck put it:lol:) and just generally running around like a gerbil. Buck had an assistant ride him Friday afternoon. It looked like he was working on teaching the little horse to slow down and be quiet and give to pressure, asking for lateral and longitudinal flexion. I gathered from what Buck said Saturday that he was really worried the little horse was going to rear up and flip over with his rider on Friday. Glad that didn’t happen!

[QUOTE=mvp;7185339]FWIW, I think a better way to talk about feel and developing it is to talk about timing and building that.

To me, that’s a major conceptual innovation that these “ride the feet” guys bring to riding theory.[/QUOTE]

I’ve been watching the 7 Clinics each morning for a little while since I got back. This morning was all about developing feel through the timing of the release.:yes:

I really just started understanding how crucial the timing and release are this summer. It was frequently too wet to ride on my lesson days, so my horse and I spent weeks scaring the carp out of each other - er, I mean, practicing groundwork!:o :smiley: We did lots of work with leading and obstacles and trailer loading. I can’t believe how long I’ve ridden and handled horses without having the faintest clue how important pressure, release, and timing are!

“Finally, I thought Buck was the soul of tact. Why he even complimented our horseflies! At least, I think calling them “Boone and Crockett horseflies” was a compliment.”

Boone and Crockett refers to award-winning size antlers. Don’t know the specifics, but it adds total length to ? and maybe ?. Whoever has bagged the largest gets the award. (You can tell I’m not a hunter, but know just enough to nod knowingly.)

Means those horseflies are mega bombers.

pAin’t, thanks for your posts. The one about the rectangle got my brain a-going, about making the rectangle a safe place for your horse to be.

I just LOVE it when people come back from a clinic like this, and they’re aglow with their descriptions.

Feel, to me, transcends pressure and release. If you are using pressure, rather than intention/direction, that’s not feel.

Showing the horse what you want, you do that ‘explaining’ through pressure and release. And that’s where the horse learns to trust that there WILL be a release, so pressure/release is an integral part of riding with feel.

But when you get the horse ‘reaching back for you’, you only need a polite indication, rather than any pressure. The ‘polite indication’ might have a physical weight to it, like a good dancer indicating direction with his hand. But as far as pressure (and that can be physical or mental), that is something that you would rather NOT have, so you make moves to relieve pressure. Once you have feel, there is nothing that the horse is trying to relieve, it’s all intention and indication.

Dancing is a good analogy. So is music. The conductor has his baton, and his body, and he’s getting across tempo, dynamics (loud/soft), feelings and more.
I heard about YoYo Ma in Tanglewood, with a cello ensemble. He directed them, got the piece how he wanted it, and they performed on stage. YoYo Ma played WITH the ensemble, with his back to the other musicians. They knew what he wanted, by watching his back. That’s feel, too- director and musicians feeling for each other, rehearsing and then reading intentions.

You may consider this series.

http://www.martinblack.net/videoclips.php#hackamore

and everyone should read True Horsemanship Through Feel.

I rode in a 4 day clinic with Ray Hunt back in 2000. Every day we got a late start, because every day he was mobbed at his golf cart where he sat repeating his mantra ‘I can’t sell you anything. This stuff is free. Just try, just find a feel. Ride a path, pick a line and ride it. It’s free!’

http://youtu.be/iisjlhCUXDM

FYI:

http://alegacyoflegends.com/

p’Aint_Misbehavin, go to the new “western dressage” thread and look at the video katarine posted of her friend doing a WD demo. That is a great example of keeping the horse in the box and a lovely ride.

Update from Lexington- Day 2 of Dust :slight_smile:

I was going to try and write something last night, but somehow the pain in my legs prevented me from typing. Wow, I don’t sit in a saddle 3-4 hours a day, that’s for sure!
So, so good for my girl, if a bit frustrating at having 30 riders in this arena not going the same direction. Definitely had a few hairy moments especially yesterday if we would get a bit ‘trapped’ in a corner with horses coming at her (and a few of them scared me a little as well, I couldn’t really blame her!) But of course in the end that means she’s tuning in the other horses more than me so… we did much better today, I was able to keep her safe but also keep her mind much more focused on what we were doing.

I actually got a “Good Diana, nice” today on my hind/front exercise, woohoo!

It has been really great to watch the Colt Starting in the morning. I have a 3yo I am just now backing so this is incredibly timely.

The ‘slow walk’ he said, is the perfect place to work on your canter. As he put it, maybe you get ten minutes of canter done in a ride and you’re most likely finished. But if you can control the footfalls at this slow walk (with the soft feel) until you can almost delay them, carry that through the trot until finally you can use this principle at the canter as well, to shorten and engage. I thought that was interesting.

Also to continually, always, every.single.time. offer the horse the good deal first. I can’t say that enough to myself. I love my mare so much, it’s crazy to think I would forget that. But boy we all did. Just from the halt into the walk, to roll forward in your position from 3 to 2 and open your legs just enough… that is the good deal. I have been using the ‘opening the legs’ more than ever and it’s great (I started that off the dvd’s) as TB or not, I’ve let her dink around too much and get dull.

There was a girl who had a running martingale on the first day, and per his suggestion she came without it today. He did get after her today for ‘sawing’ on her horse’s mouth, and also for rolling her eyes at him when he told her that. “Don’t roll your eyes at me, I’ve raised three daughters and I don’t need to take that …” and honest to God his mic cut out right then, lol. He ended up getting off and taking the reins of the little horse as he stood next to it, until he could convince it that if it would give, so would he. It was a very good demonstration.

Lots of short serpentines today, I’m still not natural with the legs on turns as it is totally backwards to what I’ve been doing forever (inside leg at the girth outside leg behind the girth) and I have to think too much about that while I’m trying to direct and ‘drop’ that reaching front leg… argh. Mindy helped me tremendously with that this summer though, as I truly did NOT get the reasoning until I had a lightbulb moment with her, but I’m still not natural at it.

I’ve had my western saddle on but I think tomorrow I’ll switch as I’m hoping to hop her over some logs at Masterson before we start. I signed her up for her first little horse trials the end of October and she’s new to the xc thing, so… two birds!

[QUOTE=Pocket Pony;7185359]
Agreed, mvp. If your timing is off, you won’t have good feel and everything will feel hard and difficult vs. easy and flowing.[/QUOTE]

And what up with almost no other trainer in the history of my English riding career emphasized the idea and skill of timing?

Only 2 DQ types ever asked me to feel what a leg was doing. And then those were only the hind legs.

When I developed my own way of teaching half-halts (merging some stuff using poles I learned in HunterWorld), I did include timing in that teaching. It’s great because using the pole as I do makes the change that the rider is supposed to feel in the horse just Bare Butt Obvious at first. Then they can refine from there.

Otherwise, these vaquero dudes are the only folks I have known to speak this way. In terms of spreading the gospel, I think the Next Big Thing needs to be developing ways to help people feel and use timing (which maybe precedes feel).

After all, what good is a concept if you have can’t execute it?