I KNOW!!! I have ridden for 30 years or so. Until the past two years, I’ve always been in training/lessons. NO ONE that I can remember has ever talked to me about timing of the aids. NO ONE!!! In 30 years!!! I’ve done h/j, dressage, eventing, and until my foray into the “western” world, not a word of timing was ever spoken. And I can’t believe how much of a difference it makes. Like if I ask NOW then turning or doing some kind of lateral work is (relatively) easy. And if I ask in NOW + 1 step, then it is hard and there’s brace in the movement. And for Mac, at least, the pressure-release type of system is just so much easier to understand and use as a tool for development. Lightness is now something that we have throughout the ride, not at the very end and only for a couple minutes because after we’ve argued he finally gave up. He’s advanced more in the past 6 months than in the couple years beforehand, and the feel I have with him I really didn’t think was possible.
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I KNOW!!! I have ridden for 30 years or so. Until the past two years, I’ve always been in training/lessons. NO ONE that I can remember has ever talked to me about timing of the aids. NO ONE!!! In 30 years!!! I’ve done h/j, dressage, eventing, and until my foray into the “western” world, not a word of timing was ever spoken. And I can’t believe how much of a difference it makes. Like if I ask NOW then turning or doing some kind of lateral work is (relatively) easy. And if I ask in NOW + 1 step, then it is hard and there’s brace in the movement. And for Mac, at least, the pressure-release type of system is just so much easier to understand and use as a tool for development. Lightness is now something that we have throughout the ride, not at the very end and only for a couple minutes because after we’ve argued he finally gave up. He’s advanced more in the past 6 months than in the couple years beforehand, and the feel I have with him I really didn’t think was possible.
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It is shocking, isn’t it?
I sort of cringe and get humbled when I think of all the times I ground my leg on a horse. Um… he wasn’t moving despite all that and enduring pain because he physically couldn’t. Had I asked him to move over at the moment he could, he would have. “Oops, my bad.” And it’s a pretty big bad, plus a common one.
Same for the lightness thing. How can we expect a horse to show up and (with his orange-size brain) learn what we are looking for if he only gets it after a struggle and at the end of a ride? Remembering that these animals didn’t ask to be trained to do diddly, why would a horse continue to show up and try every day if he were offered such a bad deal?
I do think great trainers in any discipline emphasize putting the horse in the desired position 100% of the time. And those talented riders are good enough to do it. They also use contrast all the time. But those things really don’t trickle down to most students in most disciplines.
You have to get lucky and find a great horseman to learn it. And as often as not IME, those aren’t the average “going to shows, running a show barn” trainers. The top guys-- think Joe Fargis do it. And the very bottom, obscure, barely making a living but that’s the person you send your screwed up ones to— those guys often have this kind of horsemanship, too. Most of them can teach it (because they have rational systems that they can explain to themselves, and therefore to us). But some can’t teach the physical part for the same reason that talented riders often suck: Feel and timing comes so naturally to them that they don’t have words for what they do and how they know to do it.
And that’s why doing groundwork can be valuable for the rider (as well as the horse). Being able to watch the footfalls during the exercises, and timing your aids and releases with the footfalls does carry over to when you are mounted. Especially useful for people learning for the first time, but I’m no newby and it revolutionized my feel for timing at the tender age of about 50.
Such a shame that the Parelli machine has given groundwork such a bad name.
I completely agree with the thought that many of the very good riders have a feel for timing in their bones. I recall one instructor who I clinic’d with for several years, and finally got frustrated with not being able to execute what he was asking without confusing me and my horse. Yet he was one of the finest horsemen I’ve ever seen when he was in the saddle himself. Now, I understand what the problem was–he didn’t realize that the rest of us don’t feel that stuff automatically, and he was powerless to teach something that he was born with.
How very lucky we are that Buck and some of his students have developed both the feel and the ability to articulate it and teach it.
Can’t wait for Bay Harbor this weekend, anyone else going?
I was an auditor at his Lexington clinic and the only word I can use to describe it is “profound”. I took a notebook full of notes and have been slowly reviewing them.
In one Horsemanship class, I heard him recommend his Snaffle Bit training DVD to a participant. Is this a good investment, or is everything on it covered in his 7 Clinics DVD (which I already own). If it is more detailed than 7 Clinics, I will buy it. I have restarted my mare with his groundwork techniques and the change in our partnership is amazing. I will go to another one of his clinics if I ever get the chance.
I bought the snaffle bit video and I say “meh” save your money. You can rent it and a lot more from giddyupflix. I’m a big fan but don’t think that video is worth $50.
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I bought the snaffle bit video and I say “meh” save your money. You can rent it and a lot more from giddyupflix. I’m a big fan but don’t think that video is worth $50.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I hate to spend money if I really don’t have to. I’ll check out giddyupflix.
Oh how exciting! He’s coming to WA and DH wants to go, so I took Halloween weekend off so I can go too! I’m excited