Oldenburg for Dummies?!

[Personal_Champ]

Through a bizarre series of events, I got an Oldenburg mare today. From a less than desirable situation, she is a basket case and in rough physical condition as well. I am not sure if she will be rehab-able into a solid riding citizen or if the psychological damage is too deep.

Anyway, she is a 7 year old that was inspected by the International Sporthorse Registry and was classified as a premium filly with a score of 8 points.

Could someone please explain all this to me, a tried and true OTTB person? I appreciate it, in advance. I can give more info if needed…just don’t know what is necessary!

[IronwoodFarm]

Do you have her papers? If not, contact the ISR/OLDNA for information on how to obtain them. The filly has been inspected as a foal and branded. It’s good that she made premium, but the score is relative to what she can do now. If someone wants to breed her, she will need to go to an ISR/OLDNA mare inspection to be placed in a mare book.

I hope the mare works out for you.

[Personal_Champ]

I do have her papers.

What does the inspection mean, then? I have no clue what any of this means!

[RedMare01]

http://www.isroldenburg.org/

Click on the inspection tab on the side…should explain some things. ISR is the lower book of the registry. What are her bloodlines?

Caitlin

[Dressage_Diva333]

Is she branded? If so, is it ISR or OLD?

Honestly, the inspection score as a foal means nothing at all. I’ve seem some foals with outstanding inspection scores turn into mediocre horses, and vice versa.

What are you looking to do with her? If you want to breed her, she will need to attend an inspection to get placed into a mare book.

[rodawn]

It just means that she was presented as a foal at the side of her mother in front of judges. The scores are merely guidelines or a look-in-the-window so-to-speak of what the future could hold for this particular mare after she grows up - the scores speak of her conformation and the movement seen on that particular day at inspection as a baby. This can all change dramatically once the mare matures so it really doesn’t mean a huge lot. Most of all, it was a guideline to her breeder so they could determine if their breeding program was going in the right direction. It also means your mare was then branded to show her as belonging to a specific registry, and given registration papers to show her pedigree and proof of ownership.

Now as an adult, she’s got her registration papers, otherwise known as her documented pedigree lineage and genetic heritage. It does not give her a license to be bred. In order to be bred, she would need to be inspected by the ISR society judges and achieve certain scores for her movement and conformation in order to obtain broodmare approval and, upon approval, would be issued approval papers which would state which mare book she was entered into.

I hope your mare settles with time and gains confidence in people and the world at large. Be patient with her. I rescued a Hanoverian mare from neglect - it took her 3 years to calm down. At 7, your mare is young and so has a better chance of successfully integrating back into society again. My mare was 14 and it was much harder for her, but she is now a respectable equine citizen.

[Personal_Champ]

I have no plans for her other than getting her healthy for right now. I gather that she is absolutely terrified of vets and dentists… They managed to get her coggins and shots don, but her teeth are awful and supposedly no dentist has touched her in a while. Apparently you can’t tranq her, very needle phobic, and no twitches either. I am also thinking that she may have ulcers. She has a horrible coat and is thin, but she was an easy keeper at her old barn.

If once I get her healthy she can be tought to trust and become a riding horse, great. She is a fabulous mover. Thanks for all the info!

[Kyzteke]

Good for you for taking her in.

Is she registered with ISR or Oldenburg? ISR is generally reserved for horses who do not fit the pedigree requirements for the Oldenburg NA book.

It’s been so long since I worked with this registry, but if she was inspected as a foal, she should be branded; I think even back then ISR/OldNA would use a half-brand for the ISR, but I honestly can’t remember.

What is her pedigree? That should tell knowledgeble breeders on this board what her status is.

However, as long as her pedigree has only WB, TB and/or Arab in it, you could breed to a full WB and get a full WB foal.

Also, the inspection will give you an idea of her quality and what stallions might go best with her.

BTW, I have two Hanoverian mares I bred myself (both red heads, so maybe that has something to do with it) who have never been abused in any way. They both hate shots and are 2-3 person jobs any time there is a needle involved.

I think some are just born that way…

Good luck with her.

[Personal_Champ]

She is branded… It is an o with a crown, and a n and a a on either side. I will give more details on pedigree tomorrow when I am on a computer and not my phone. She seems mostly tb, father is A Crown Court, lots of hanoverian and some trakhener on his side.

She was a bit more mellow today, seems she knows nobody will beat her here and she has a steady supply of hay. I need to have her teeth done when my vet comes out, so I guess we will see…

[Personal_Champ]

Ok, I got to the computer unexpectedly tonight.

Her papers are pink and say “Oldenburg Registry North America”. The inspection award says “International Sporthorse Registry”.

Her father is A Crown Court - the numbers on the papers say 90-86090-81. He is a Hanovarian, and it says SPTP: 120.15 pts., 3/12, 1986 Culpeper VA. He is by the Hanovarian Abundance, ES 313, and out of a full TB mare.

Her mother is a full TB, Coutrymusic Queen - the numbers say S: 90-50104-86, then xx.

My mare’s registration number is 840017 33-96711-04, if that matters.

[Kyzteke]

@Personal Champ;5510812

Her papers are pink and say “Oldenburg Registry North America”. The inspection award says “International Sporthorse Registry”.

Her father is A Crown Court - the numbers on the papers say 90-86090-81. He is a Hanovarian, and it says SPTP: 120.15 pts., 3/12, 1986 Culpeper VA. He is by the Hanovarian Abundance, ES 313, and out of a full TB mare.

Her mother is a full TB, Coutrymusic Queen - the numbers say S: 90-50104-86, then xx.

My mare’s registration number is 840017 33-96711-04, if that matters.

I’ve never heard of the sire, but he was approved by the AHS, since SPTP means “Stallion Performance Test”. He finished 3rd o/o 12 horses in 1986. Your mare’s sire was obviously pretty old when he sired your mare if he was tested in '86. I never recall a stallion by his name on the AHS roster, but it’s possible the owners didn’t not keep up the stallion fees needed to keep him current.

Also never heard of Abundance, but I’m guessing maybe an Abstanz son or grandson? I’m sure others may know.

1986 predates my involvement with WBs by afew years.

Once you get the mare in your name, it seems you have all you need to present her to either GOV, ISR/OldNA or AHS. Inspection dates for this year will be listed on their individual websites. You will have to join (usually about $90 + about $150 or so for the inspection). She will be graded and placed in one of the mare books.

You mare is 3/4 TB, which (in the Hanoverian registry anyway), will limit which stallions you can use. But plenty of time for that…

Perhaps others on this board can give you more info on her pedigree.

[Personal_Champ]

Kyzteke - thank you for your info, I really appreciate since I am so out of my element. Her sire is indeed a Abstanz son.

Her sire was a local horse that seems to have done quite a bit of eventing. He hasn’t been breeding for quite a few years. The transfer papers should be in my hands by the end of the week.

My mare is a fabulous mover. I am really hopeful that I can get her healthy (wormed already and started on Ulcergard this am) and going under saddle well. I would love for her to be a riding horse. If that can’t happen due to her bad mileage, I will look into getting her approved for breeding. She is lovely and talented and it is through human misuse that she is the way she is. Perhaps she could make a good broodmare for someone.

So, you might be hearing from me in a year or so, looking for advice on inspections… but hopefully I will be sharing show successes instead!!!

ETA: What do the “xx” after some names in her pedigree mean?

[Tasker]

OP - I grew up riding Abundance offspring (and still do through his grandchildren), so the drama around that stallion is familiar territory. Abundance had his license taken away by the AHS in the mid-90’s for lack of a 100 day test (he was born in 1965, imported as a weanling and 100dt started here in the 80’s). He evented through Intermediate, foxhunted as a staff horse for eons, drove as a single or a pair, did FEI dressage with my mom and some showjumping as well with Al (his owner). His son Ruxton is in the Hunter Hall of Fame, Jackie Blue and Stars and Stripes jumped in the LA Olympics and then we had a ton of successful FEI & some Grand Prix dressage horses by him. He was AHS Stallion of the Year several times in the 80’s. There is quite a bit of information on our website about him and his successful offspring that I know about. A few grandchildren have stayed in the AHS books but the majority were thrown out when the AHS melded back into the Hanoverian Verband.

A Crown Court was a very nice sire as best I can remember. And he was approved ISR/OLDna & GOV. There is some info & photos here.

Good luck and if you have any questions about Bundy, I can put you in touch with those who used to ride him, etc.

xx - means full TB

[Callaway]

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ETA: What do the “xx” after some names in her pedigree mean?[/QUOTE]

‘xx’ at the end of a horse’s name indicates that they are a TB.

[Personal_Champ]

Wow, what great luck that you know her sire’s side!!!

She definitely looks much like her dad and his sire. She has a beautiful head and expression. I am trying to do some research and have found that some say that A line horses can be more sensitive than others - would you find that to be accurate? Tasker, I saw the details on Abundance on your site… what was he like?

From what I am told, she can be sensitive under saddle. I can see that on the ground as well. She has a strong flight instinct, but if you treat her with sweetness, she just melts. However, if you are too sweet, she will take advantage of you!! She seems intelligent - has realized that I am not going to harm her.

https://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2079679&id=1107968039&l=b35e2ce75e - this is a photo of her from last year when she was in good shape. She looks nothing like this now, but hopefully in a bit she will again!

[Kyzteke]

@Tasker;5511444

OP - I grew up riding Abundance offspring (and still do through his grandchildren), so the drama around that stallion is familiar territory. Abundance had his license taken away by the AHS in the mid-90’s for lack of a 100 day test (he was born in 1965, imported as a weanling and 100dt started here in the 80’s). He evented through Intermediate, foxhunted as a staff horse for eons, drove as a single or a pair, did FEI dressage with my mom and some showjumping as well with Al (his owner). His son Ruxton is in the Hunter Hall of Fame, Jackie Blue and Stars and Stripes jumped in the LA Olympics and then we had a ton of successful FEI & some Grand Prix dressage horses by him. He was AHS Stallion of the Year several times in the 80’s. There is quite a bit of information on our website about him and his successful offspring that I know about. A few grandchildren have stayed in the AHS books but the majority were thrown out when the AHS melded back into the Hanoverian Verband.

A Crown Court was a very nice sire as best I can remember. And he was approved ISR/OLDna & GOV. There is some info & photos here.

Wow! OP, seems like you’ve stumbled on some very impressive bloodlines, performance-wise.

And I would expect your mare to be sensitive – she’s 3/4 TB!

Good luck with her.

[Tasker]

PC - you can PM my mom (not again here on COTH) and she can give you the lowdown on Abundance. I remember him as a big horse - he was 16.0 1/2" but he was here when I was quite small.

From what I’ve been told and know from his offspring (and now their descendants), these are smart horses. They like to work. They like a job that is multi-faceted (no endless 20 m circles) and they like to move up the levels in their sport - sort of like workaholics and overachievers.

I would guess that the ‘sensitive’ description is due to the amount of TB blood in your girl more than her grandsire’s influence. His kids were pretty darned level headed and straightforward. Based on your girl’s damline - I would say she’d have above average jumping talent and predisposition to being a tad ‘keen’…but that is just MHO.

As a side note, we bred both of our Abundance daughters (out of TB mares) to a full TB stallion we stood to improve the jump in the canter and to improve the elasticity over the back (they were fine but there is always room for improvement)…which worked beautifully. We’ve then taken those daughters and crossed them back to Hanoverian stallions with quite a bit of ‘old fashioned’ blood and those offspring are spectacular in every way. If you have any questions or if I can help you - just send me a note…happy to share our experiences with Abundance’s ‘kids’.

[not_again]

Countrymusic Queen has quite a nice pedigree for sport:
http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedigree.cfm?page_state=ORDER_AND_CONFIRM&reference_number=1099466&registry=T&horse_name=Countrymusic%20Queen&dam_name=April%20Music&foaling_year=1986&nicking_stats_indicator=Y

[Personal_Champ]

You guys are great!!!

She is not super tall - I sticked her at 15.3 1/2, but she desperately needs a trim, so probably more like 15.3… but she is WIDE. Like super wide. Wider than my 16.2 TB mare who has a ton of bone and takes a 5.5" bit!

She is smart as a whip - needs boundaries but fair ones. Seems to catch on quickly. I can TOTALLY see her getting bored with something and getting into trouble because of it! LOL. Also can see her being a keen jumper. Wow, can she move too - I only free lunged her a bit because she is nowhere near riding shape, and even with overgrown feet she is stunning!

I really appreciate all the info and assistance - and I know that no 2 offspring or horses are the same, but if anyone has any pointers on desensitizing to needles… feel free to share! She needs to have her teeth done, desperately, in the very near future! Or, Tasker and not again, any tips on Abundance’s get are MORE than welcome!!!

[RLR]

Out of curiosity I was researching my mare’s pedigree and stumbled across this post. Personal Champ- I have a sister of your mare! I see there are links to pictures of A Crowns Court and Abundance but the links no longer work. I know this is an old thread but any background on my mare’s sire A Crowns Court and her dam CountyMusic Queen would be appreciated!