Opinions on DHH crosses for jumping?

KS has dirty-deleted her public post admitting that the starving weanling was hers.

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And all the comments, many of which did not buy her story. I thinks it’s high time she got out of the business.

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This was September. Clearly this is a recurring issue, not a “one off, 12 days, someone else’s fault”

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Exactly, which is also why if you get in a skinny recip, you have to feed her up before she foals and starts lactating. The dam of the Chacco Blue filly looked terrible when she foaled, and I’m sure only went downhill from there as she attempted to make milk for her poor child.

This isn’t rocket science, and anyone who’s breeding on this scale should understand basic nutrition, or have the resources to get help. Heck the feed companies even do free consults. Oh wait that would mean she’d have to actually give them feed, not just supposed alfalfa and coastal.

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Extremely ironic statement, particularly in hindsight:

“I think our industry would be better as a whole if people stood up for what is right.”

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Are we surprised this woman can’t keep barn staff? We have all the online drama with her not paying or slagging off her braiding crew. She had exactly the same kind of blowup a year ago over barn staff “betraying” her in Oklahoma. And clearly constant drama in Florida.

I’m.also confused as she touted having “her barn” on FB but she’s just renting stalls. She talks about horses being in full board but it’s really dry stalls where she needs to organize all the care? Someone up thread said she was at a racetrack, is that true? I would believe it because off season second tier or bankrupt tracks or fairgrounds could be a good place to source short term budget dry stalls. But what an awful place for foals. They need to have big fields to run around in to develop properly.

I was being snide calling her a foal mill last year but unfortunately that’s exactly what she is running.

Random breeding, lots of advertising, lack of care, cheapest accomodations and bad outcomes. And over priced.

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That thought had crossed my mind.
Drama seems to follow her.

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100%

Maybe she will actually get out of breeding/horses now? She’s talked about it before…

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It’s interesting. Have we ever had a full scale train wreck personality that didn’t also compromise their horses care and health in some way, if they had a horse and it was under their care? Susan Wacowitch from Dressage Hub was out of actually riding by the time her online presence got really problematic, and Kanarek always had her horses in full board. But everywhere else, craycray persona does seem to line up with horse abuse eventually.

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Putting these on this thread too for posterity. Three additional times in the last 2 years (April 2022, Nov 22, August 23) there have been issues with the horses not being fed/cared for:

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My thought whenever someone complains over and over about all the people who have cheated them, betrayed them, let them down is “who is the common denominator in all these stories?”

IOW – if someone treats you badly, they were probably the jerk. If it seems like MOST people treat you badly, you are probably the jerk.

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WoW. You took the words right out of my mouth (err… ummm letters out of my hands?) anyway, EXACTLY!!

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Is this the one everyone was referring to upthread that they keep chasing? I wouldn’t be chasing a goal in the field…personally. He cross canters (not that well-built, sound horses won’t occasionally cross canter). And, another rope around the neck?

Also…that knee action doesn’t scream “hunter prospect” to me. :woman_shrugging:t3: I own a selle francais and let me tell you, the French trotter really shines through. I can also tell you she won’t be winning a flat class in her lifetime.

I’ve cared for exactly 3 foals in my life, which arguably isn’t a lot, but we never, not once, tied a rope around a neck. We never chased them in the pastures. Or maybe ever? Once we free lunged in the arena with mom.

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Kate claims she will be taking the Florida bar (and getting a counseling license, even more scary) in 2024. I doubt the character and fitness committee will do anything without a criminal conviction, but if anyone wants to find out, here’s the contact information.

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Not at all defending, but that is a neck strap. We use them on our weanlings too, in case a halter breaks.

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Yes, that is not a “neck rope” contraption like upthread. Just a plain old neck strap, very useful on broodmares. You don’t want to breed the wrong mare!

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Ah okay thanks. It’s been close to a decade since I worked with the babies so I may not recall having used one (I don’t think we did). But the rest I’m certain of!

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There are approximately eleventy-million “racetracks” (training tracks, training centers) here in central FL. Probably half of them are no longer populated with race horses, but have been sold/rented to sport horse people. Most of these training farms have a 5/8ths track, anywhere from two to ten barns, a number of small paddocks, and a couple big fields. It’s quite common to rent out pieces of the farm barn-by-barn; so it makes sense that Kate has rented one 22-stall barn and the associated paddocks at that farm. The other barns are rented by other people. A lot of these cheaper rent places have fallen into disrepair, and fences in the fields may not be suitable for weanlings/foals. It’s possible the filly jumped out when she was weaned and stressed; a barn and nearby paddocks may not be the best situation at weaning time.

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So from the excellent sleuthing of FB posts, do I understand that @Kasheare says publicly that two of her mares died last spring from starvation at their facility and she didn’t catch that until too late? In April 2022? So she then went on and “fattened up” these mares and used them as brood mares to get her 2023 foals? Who does that? Or did she let the owners of the free lease recipient mares take them home to recover and then source new recipient mares from new suckers? Only to have the same care meltdown in 2023? No wonder KWPN is telling her the foals are undersized. Both the 2022 and 2023 batches have had malnutrition in utero and as weanlings.

Obviously in any bad situation some horses are better keepers than others or some may get preferential treatment because the owner thinks they are special. Very common in hoarders to have different levels of care and the bad cases to be hidden away.

I recalled that she ranted about the previous horse care in another state but forgot how recent it was and that she “lost” two mares. I guess I’m not a very competent stalker :slight_smile:

This just gets worse and worse. She’s clearly been skimping on horse care to the extent of losing mares and foals all along, and hasn’t learned from her past experience.

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I will reply that they are indeed outside my budget because I don’t want to have huge vet bills trying to fix the mess of an incompetent breeder who starves pregnant mares and weanlings. If I was in the position to take on a charity case rescue there are many sad but not actually starved little wildie yearlings upcountry who at least grew up on the open range, not a filthy stall. Very important for future foot health and proprioception.

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