Opinions on DHH crosses for jumping?

[MorganSercu]

Freezers have been known to suffer power hiccups or worse. I would be concerned if suddenly someone were selling multiple batches of half-price straws.

The provenance of the buyer and the repro vet facilities & employees are all weak points in any sale.

I wouldn’t buy squat from Kasheare - no matter how reputable and reliable the repro facility. I wouldn’t trust her not to sell a bad straw.

Which may be me being a bit too picky & paranoid. But I vaguely recall a different semen broker/handler whose operation was a total feces show. The records were a nightmare, the conditions were too, etc.

[BraveSC]

Curious as what the KG means at the end of her horses names?

[firecracker]

@Scribbler

My understanding is that frozen semen lives at the repro vet, even while it changes hands. It’s not like ot goes home to the freezer in the carport along with the half a moose and the u-pick frozen strawberries.

Depends. It may get transferred from one repro vet to another when it changes hands, and things can certainly go awry during that process.

I do not breed myself, but I helped transport frozen semen from a broker to a repro vet once (who pulled a straw to use for an upcoming breeding), and then on to another repro vet, where the rest of the semen would be stored long-term. The long-term storage place happened to be an equine reproduction school, and when I dropped off the tank, they had a class going on and they ran through their protocol for transferring frozen semen from the shipping tank to the long-term storage tank. They were kind enough to let me stand in for the process since I was curious, and it was certainly enlightening!! A lot of documentation involved, everything was recorded… a lot can go wrong if you don’t handle everything appropriately.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

This. All of this.

I would imagine some of these doses have changed hands more than once, and been transported and stored at more than one location. Regardless of anything with Kate, i think that increases the risk that there was a hiccup in the handling procedures at some point, and the motility might have been negatively impacted.

There are no live guarantees with these doses at this point, to my knowledge. The doses MIGHT be priced accordingly, and a good deal for the right person. But… they also involve quite a bit of risk.

[Nootka]

Exactly my concern. I import from EU, sell frozen and am very familiar with frozen protocols but the numerous hands changing and partial doses, scare the crap out of me. LOL

[skydy]

@Scribbler

So much for the “auction.” Kate now has what looks like most of the herd up for sale on her FB page. She says “not fire sale, priced $8500 to $40,000.”

I count 5 broodmares, 5 2024 in utero, 5 2023, and 3 2022. I have no idea whether this is the whole herd or not.

She is going to post videos and prices “later this week”

That’s too bad.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Between her sales list of 2022 and 2023 babies, and those who are due in 2035, and her other post regarding Galoubet and Chacco Blue embryos for sale…

I’m counting 10 seperate embryo transplant projects… some clearly involving ICSI as well.

I’m think the repro vet expenses involved in all this were pretty substantial.

PERHAPS it would have been better to spend more on feeding the actual horses, and less on creating all these DHH x Jumper babies…

[Alterrain]

I am dying to know which one of those she thinks is worth 40k

[Marla_100]

probably KG means bred by KG Braiders her
inactive Fl. LLC.

[Sparky]

It’s her and her mother initials.

[Marla_100]

So is her mother an investor/partner in her business?

[Sparky]

In the dogs. Not sure about the horses.

[Rumorhasit93]

A thought I just had…clearly there is limited vet involvement with Kate’s breeding “program”, but unless we assume she is doing the insemination herself, is there something that vets could do to stop the breeding to clearly unkempt recip mares? Report her? Refuse to take part? I don’t know.

Side note, this entire thread has made me deeply regret not asking to be more involved with watching the vet appointments for the mare bred at the barn I worked at. I saw bits and pieces (one actively being born, lots of handling of them, taking them to inspections, etc). I admittedly know little of the actual breeding process.

[Scribbler]

@Rumorhasit93

A thought I just had…clearly there is limited vet involvement with Kate’s breeding “program”, but unless we assume she is doing the insemination herself, is there something that vets could do to stop the breeding to clearly unkempt recip mares? Report her? Refuse to take part? I don’t know.

Side note, this entire thread has made me deeply regret not asking to be more involved with watching the vet appointments for the mare bred at the barn I worked at. I saw bits and pieces (one actively being born, lots of handling of them, taking them to inspections, etc). I admittedly know little of the actual breeding process.

There have been more than one poster confirming that EMS vets out of Missouri I think? That Kate was using? Send out semi feral recipient mares in rough shape. So likely not going to be the ones to stop this.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Rumorhasit93

A thought I just had…clearly there is limited vet involvement with Kate’s breeding “program”, but unless we assume she is doing the insemination herself, is there something that vets could do to stop the breeding to clearly unkempt recip mares? Report her? Refuse to take part? I don’t know.

The veterinary work involving flushing embryos, doing ICSI, and successfully implanting embryos in recipients is fairly technical. I highly doubt Kate is doing that herself.

How much veterinary care her horses receive beyond the first check to confirm they are in goal? That I don’t know. But other aspects of her program are very veterinary intensive.

I would imagine she used a rep to vet in Florida for her 2024 in utero foals and the embryos. Possibly the same practice where the semen is currently stored?

[CuriosoJorge]

@Scribbler

Since this stuff needs very specific freezing, there’s likely a chain of control as it will reside at a given repro vet.

Not really. Speaking in generalities, anyone can call up Janie at SemenTanks.com and order a tank, and then fill and maintain the liquid nitrogen from a welding supply store. You don’t have to pay storage fees at a vet or repro facility, although hopefully those places include liability insurance. I don’t know if Kate ever had semen outside of a reputable facility, but it’s definitely worth asking before buying.

[CuriosoJorge]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I noticed she is trying to sell a frozen dose of Nabab de Reve.

There have maybe been 2-3 foals from frozen Nabab in the world. I don’t know if it works any better for ICSI.

[CuriosoJorge]

@Marla_100

So is her mother an investor/partner in her business?

I thought her mother died when Kate was 17? That’s part of her sob story.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CuriosoJorge

There have maybe been 2-3 foals from frozen Nabab in the world. I don’t know if it works any better for ICSI.

That’s my understanding as well

I’ve heard reports of a few via ICSI… but that was a few years ago.

Kate has two Nabab de Reve 2024 in utero options for sale right now.

I’m… skeptical.

Also…we are talking about Nabab de Reve x DHH mare. Maybe that would be better than Galoubet x DHH mare?

[fordtraktor]

Well she has two mares supposedly carry Nabab foals for spring 2024, so I guess it does work better.