Opinions on DHH crosses for jumping?

[fordtraktor]

There doesn’t appear to be any informed thought behind the breedings. Color + fancy stallion, fancy stallion plus flat croup harness mares…. the jackpot colt that scored well last year she is advertising for $35k….

The KWPN NA jumper champion this year is lovely and scored light years above hers. Her foal was in a balanced spot the day of. Now it is out behind and doesn’t look at all like a top jumper, but that is how Keurings work. Snapshot in time.

Also, that Keuring seems really off in the scores. It scored horses way better for movement than is usual. IME, being 3-4 points off is HUGE. At that Keuring, some were 10 points high on movement.

Report From the Road - Mane on Fire Farm (TX), September 27, 2022 - KWPN-NA

[skydy]

I think you have it right about the color factor. Unfortunately color, not quality is still a huge factor for some folks when they buy.

[fordtraktor]

You can also see from the report she didn’t get any other First Premiums, which I will remind the group means “at or above breed standard” for the breeding direction. They report all the First Premiums.

[skydy]

That is not surprising, if the young ones we’ve seen here are representative of the odd breeding program of Kate Shearer, and her incredible lack of knowledge of breeding nutrition and animal husbandry.

We know this, but apparently there are people who don’t know what they don’t know.

Bless the horse’s hearts. I hope they get new homes ASAP.

[Jenerationx]

Everything I’ve seen from her seems to have way more knee action than anyone would want for the h/j world. It boggles my mind that she’s trying to market them that way. Why?

Abdullah definitely had frozen semen. I saw him being collected at Chestnut Ridge. I loved, loved, loved, that horse. He was amazing in athleticism and temperament. He was used a lot in Western NY and seemed to pass his great mind down as well as good jumping ability.

[Nootka]

Same!! That is some nice baby batter, but I just don’t trust that it has been stored correctly.

[Scribbler]

@Nootka

Same!! That is some nice baby batter, but I just don’t trust that it has been stored correctly.

My understanding is that frozen semen lives at the repro vet, even while it changes hands. It’s not like ot goes home to the freezer in the carport along with the half a moose and the u-pick frozen strawberries.

However, guaranteed Kate has picked these up as a bargain. I have no idea if she’s the one to have dipped into some of the straws or she bought them partly used. Also there is no live foal.guatantee in this kind of deal, so you’d really want to do your research on what stallions are lower motility. And yes, Kate did claim on WB Breeder FB that one of these batches gave her mare an infection.

And also she misrepresents things constantly and drama and conflict follow her around everywhere. So I just wouldn’t want to do business with her, period.

[MorganSercu]

Freezers have been known to suffer power hiccups or worse. I would be concerned if suddenly someone were selling multiple batches of half-price straws.

The provenance of the buyer and the repro vet facilities & employees are all weak points in any sale.

I wouldn’t buy squat from Kasheare - no matter how reputable and reliable the repro facility. I wouldn’t trust her not to sell a bad straw.

Which may be me being a bit too picky & paranoid. But I vaguely recall a different semen broker/handler whose operation was a total feces show. The records were a nightmare, the conditions were too, etc.

[BraveSC]

Curious as what the KG means at the end of her horses names?

[firecracker]

@Scribbler

My understanding is that frozen semen lives at the repro vet, even while it changes hands. It’s not like ot goes home to the freezer in the carport along with the half a moose and the u-pick frozen strawberries.

Depends. It may get transferred from one repro vet to another when it changes hands, and things can certainly go awry during that process.

I do not breed myself, but I helped transport frozen semen from a broker to a repro vet once (who pulled a straw to use for an upcoming breeding), and then on to another repro vet, where the rest of the semen would be stored long-term. The long-term storage place happened to be an equine reproduction school, and when I dropped off the tank, they had a class going on and they ran through their protocol for transferring frozen semen from the shipping tank to the long-term storage tank. They were kind enough to let me stand in for the process since I was curious, and it was certainly enlightening!! A lot of documentation involved, everything was recorded… a lot can go wrong if you don’t handle everything appropriately.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

This. All of this.

I would imagine some of these doses have changed hands more than once, and been transported and stored at more than one location. Regardless of anything with Kate, i think that increases the risk that there was a hiccup in the handling procedures at some point, and the motility might have been negatively impacted.

There are no live guarantees with these doses at this point, to my knowledge. The doses MIGHT be priced accordingly, and a good deal for the right person. But… they also involve quite a bit of risk.

[Nootka]

Exactly my concern. I import from EU, sell frozen and am very familiar with frozen protocols but the numerous hands changing and partial doses, scare the crap out of me. LOL

[skydy]

@Scribbler

So much for the “auction.” Kate now has what looks like most of the herd up for sale on her FB page. She says “not fire sale, priced $8500 to $40,000.”

I count 5 broodmares, 5 2024 in utero, 5 2023, and 3 2022. I have no idea whether this is the whole herd or not.

She is going to post videos and prices “later this week”

That’s too bad.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Between her sales list of 2022 and 2023 babies, and those who are due in 2035, and her other post regarding Galoubet and Chacco Blue embryos for sale…

I’m counting 10 seperate embryo transplant projects… some clearly involving ICSI as well.

I’m think the repro vet expenses involved in all this were pretty substantial.

PERHAPS it would have been better to spend more on feeding the actual horses, and less on creating all these DHH x Jumper babies…

[Alterrain]

I am dying to know which one of those she thinks is worth 40k

[Marla_100]

probably KG means bred by KG Braiders her
inactive Fl. LLC.

[Sparky]

It’s her and her mother initials.

[Marla_100]

So is her mother an investor/partner in her business?

[Sparky]

In the dogs. Not sure about the horses.

[Rumorhasit93]

A thought I just had…clearly there is limited vet involvement with Kate’s breeding “program”, but unless we assume she is doing the insemination herself, is there something that vets could do to stop the breeding to clearly unkempt recip mares? Report her? Refuse to take part? I don’t know.

Side note, this entire thread has made me deeply regret not asking to be more involved with watching the vet appointments for the mare bred at the barn I worked at. I saw bits and pieces (one actively being born, lots of handling of them, taking them to inspections, etc). I admittedly know little of the actual breeding process.