Opinions on DHH crosses for jumping?

There have been more than one poster confirming that EMS vets out of Missouri I think? That Kate was using? Send out semi feral recipient mares in rough shape. So likely not going to be the ones to stop this.

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The veterinary work involving flushing embryos, doing ICSI, and successfully implanting embryos in recipients is fairly technical. I highly doubt Kate is doing that herself.

How much veterinary care her horses receive beyond the first check to confirm they are in goal? That I donā€™t know. But other aspects of her program are very veterinary intensive.

I would imagine she used a rep to vet in Florida for her 2024 in utero foals and the embryos. Possibly the same practice where the semen is currently stored?

Not really. Speaking in generalities, anyone can call up Janie at SemenTanks.com and order a tank, and then fill and maintain the liquid nitrogen from a welding supply store. You donā€™t have to pay storage fees at a vet or repro facility, although hopefully those places include liability insurance. I donā€™t know if Kate ever had semen outside of a reputable facility, but itā€™s definitely worth asking before buying.

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There have maybe been 2-3 foals from frozen Nabab in the world. I donā€™t know if it works any better for ICSI.

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I thought her mother died when Kate was 17? Thatā€™s part of her sob story.

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Thatā€™s my understanding as well :wink:

Iā€™ve heard reports of a few via ICSIā€¦ but that was a few years ago.

Kate has two Nabab de Reve 2024 in utero options for sale right now.

Iā€™mā€¦ skeptical.

Alsoā€¦we are talking about Nabab de Reve x DHH mare. Maybe that would be better than Galoubet x DHH mare?

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Well she has two mares supposedly carry Nabab foals for spring 2024, so I guess it does work better.

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The cost that I have heard for ICSI is $10k. I donā€™t know if that is per fertilization and successful implant or for each attempt. Way out of my income tax bracket so I do not have first hand experience. So your semen costs are pretty low if you can split doses but that is more than offset by the veterinary costs. Not sure this is the way to get rich.

Add in the semen costs. Some breeders including very successful ones feel that the breeding has moved forward and using old sires is moving breeding backwards. So they feel the younger stallions and the sons and grandsons of the greats are even better sires than their progenitors. That may be one reason that the semen from the older stallions is now affordable. You know - horses for courses - and the show jumping questions asked now are a lot more technical than in the good old days. That requires a lighter, more adjustable horse than in the past while keeping scope and carefulness. I am not a jumper expert but that sounds reasonable to me. This doesnā€™t mean you canā€™t breed mid level jumpers or event horses from her program but there are probably better ways to do it. And the people that can ride a Galoubet probably do not want one from a DHH mare.

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Oh dear. Thatā€™s rather scary. I would be very leery about buying from a backyard breeder with their own home tank. How often do you need to refill the nitrogen?

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I found these:

https://www.superiorequinesires.com/transferstorage.php#:~:text=The%20main%20difference%20between%20an,be%20serviced%20every%20two%20months.

https://u.osu.edu/beef/2020/03/11/semen-nitrogen-tank-care/

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All of this.

The breeding program makes no sense to me. Any way I look at it.

I did stumble across some information that MIGHT explain the breeding program.

Kate claimed to have evented since age 7, and started riding at a very young age :face_with_raised_eyebrow: She also claimed to have ridden mostly TBs and ISH, until she acquired a DHH gelding from Maryland in 2012 for a low 4 figure price. She claimed this DHH was named ā€œBearā€ and that he made his Grand Prix jumping debut in 2014.

I have no idea if this is true or notā€¦ this is just the information I saw. Apparently she believes that DHH have inherent talent for jumping at a high level.

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Bear is a horse that is local to me and I see him pack around his riders at the shows. He seems sweet and an absolute darling, but I donā€™t believe he ever came close to showing GP. https://www.usef.org/search/horses/display/B1cQDn7SZvU?page=2

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Ok I was wrong about the Arab background then.

In my neck of the woods we have ā€œmini prixā€ jumpers with tiny cash prizes at 2 foot 9 or 3 foot.

Absolutely no way Kate was on the actual real Grand Prix circuit.

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I donā€™t know that she was claiming to have ridden at that level, she just made claims about ā€œBear.ā€

Well, itā€™s good to hear Bear is alive and well and leading a full life, and appreciated for what he is. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Yes, heā€™s with great people and seems to be very happy and well-loved!

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Hopefully the rest of Kateā€™s horses have good landings like this, and productive lives with people who appreciate them.

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I believe her involvement in the arabians are along the lines of braiding at Arabian shows and owning some DHH/Half Arabians

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If thatā€™s the same horse, his USEF record shows him with a career mostly showing over 1 m or lower, with a very occasional foray into 1.10/1.15, and a class or two at 1.20/1.25.

Plus a few horse trials and even some dressage shows. Good for him.

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If this horse is a good egg and generally sound - most riders would have a use for such an animal in their career! There is a niche for safe, bigger boned but not particularly scopey animals for kids and adults alike. Iā€™d imagine the harness/trotting horse brain might be a little more cooperative than a draft type (of which crosses are popular) - but my only experience has been a few Saddlebreds and one Standardbred. If a breeder could consistently produce 1.0-1.10 meter horses with great temperaments, with some luck and proper planning there might be a small profit to be made.

Thatā€™s not what Shearer is doing - the stallions make no sense, the prices are outrageous for even a stellar baby (Iā€™m dying to know what is supposedly priced at $40kā€¦), sheā€™s got wayyy too many, and sheā€™s NEGLECTING HER ANIMALS. Clearly the plan to sell all these stupid crosses in-utero hasnā€™t panned out and now sheā€™s feeling a financial pinch.

It wonā€™t end well for these animals. Sheā€™s breeding for the slaughter truck and the back forty where horses go to die.

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