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Oroquin for Epm, my experience.

Also wanted to throw out there for anyone else whose horse has EPM that I think IV DMSO helped tremendously. My guy was having so much trouble getting up when he was lying down, and while we were waiting for blood results I asked the sporthorse specialist vet if there was anything he could do to make my guy more comfortable. He suggested the DMSO, which immediately made a big difference. My horse would lie down and sleep for 3-4 hours while I was at the barn, which I think he despertely needed. A few days later, he had a 2nd round of the DMSO, and then we started the Marquis. Itā€™s interesting, because I have since read that some vets feel that giving DMSO w/Marquis increases the drugā€™s bioavailability.

Didnā€™t mean to hijack your thread, OP! It just seems like a lot of us are dealing w/EPM right now, and thought that migt be helpful for some.

I lost my mare to EPM + Herpes V last fall. In the course of trying to diagnose and treat her and about a dozen horses other horses with roughly similar symptoms in the same equine practice, my vet (and hence I) learned that current abilities to diagnose EPM accurately are so limited as to render meaningful comparisons of different treatments well nigh impossible. IOW, based on the results of necropsy compared to the various diagnostic test administered in the course of treatment, necropsy is at present the only means of establishing with certainty that a horse was in fact afflicted by EPM. Horses with high levels of exposure/titres in their blood or spinal fluid were found to have been neurologically disabled by entirely different diseases, and vice-versa: horses whose tests indicated relatively low levels of exposure were nonetheless found upon necropsy to have severely damaged brains caused by protozoal invasion. This is, I learned (here on COTH), probably the biggest reason why researchers have been unable to produce a credible vaccine. How can scientists adequately test a vaccine if they canā€™t even reliably produce the disease in test horses? And how can anyone evaluate one course of treatment vs. others if we cannot even reach reliable differential diagnoses until after the horses are dead?

I mention all this here because I remember so well the decision to treat for EPM (with Marquis, because itā€™s FDA approved-- although I now wonder why). The idea was that we could hope my mare had EPM despite her low titres because if she did, the treatment should work-- as it supposedly had for many other EPM cases. As it turned out, my mare DID have EPM despite her low titres (as did another horse that was necropsied), and Marquis did not help her at all (or one other necropsied horse with EPM). Hence, in retrospect, my vet (and I) have come to suspect that many, if not all, the horses said to have recovered from EPM, never had it all. My vetā€™s response has been to go back to school and start researching EPM, from present diagnostic procedures on up (or wherever) because she was so floored by the inadequacy of present knowledge to address this disease. For my own part, I wish the diagnosis were not tossed out with the frequency it has been since the organism and vector were recognized decades ago because the symptoms are so varied, and so difficult (almost impossible) to differentiate from other neurological conditions. In this context, I must say that I find the glossy ads for Marquis hard to take, and the overall tendency of discussion misleading.

Meantime-- I am very, very glad that so many whose horses show terrifying neurological symptoms do recover under various forms of treatment, but, also I want to urge every horse owner who loses this dreadful battle to have a necropsy done and shared with as many people as possible in an ongoing effort to improve, our knowledge of when we are in fact ā€œdealing w/ EPM,ā€ vs. other conditions with which it can share symptoms.

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My horse is still doing well and keeping my fingers crossed.:smiley:

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My horse is still doing well and keeping my fingers crossed.:D[/QUOTE]
Iā€™m very glad, and consider this a very good sign. From early minor symptoms (a minor hind end lameness that mysteriously migrated from one foot to the other within 2 weeks and a definite change in the sound of her whinny), to the end, my mare never showed much improvement no matter what the treatment.

I am struck by how many illnesses both people and animals recover from, often responding well to various treatments, both conventional and unconventional without ever achieving definitive diagnoses. Often the best we can do is keep trying. Iā€™m grateful to this forum as a source for learning the options and othersā€™ experiences with them.

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My insurance company paid for Oroquin with no hesitation.

Wanted to chime in, as my horse finished the Marquis and is knocks on wood doing well. I still have him on a loading dose of MSM and am a bit nervous to step it down, but he is completely off bute and still feeling much better. His major physical symptom was having difficulty getting up, and last night I saw him get up with zero difficulty. Definitely made my day (especially since I had just gotten my vet bill! :lol: ).

Happy to hear your horse is doing well!
My horse finished his last dose of levamisole yesterday and is doing well.
Heā€™ll have blood drawn in a few weeks to see what his levels is.

Awesome news, Zenyatta! :yes:
I wish Iā€™d had one of the newer blood tests done beforehand, either IFAT or the other one, but my vet just did a Western blot. I had him pull more blood when I thought he was going to be on-board for the Oroquin, but Iā€™m not sure if he held onto it or not. It would have been nice to pull blood in a few weeks and compare the levels.

Update:
Horse has finished treatment a week ago and is back to his old self again.
A+ for Oroquin!

Iā€™m really happy to hear that Oroquin worked for your horse and heā€™s totally back to normal! My horse is currently on Day #4 of treatment and so far heā€™s been pretty much the same, so Iā€™m still very nervous. Do you think you could share what his titer numbers were and where he was on the 1-5 neuro scale?

I donā€™tn have the titers on hand, but he was about a 3-4 on the neuro scale.
I started to see significant improvement around day #6. Are you going to follow up with the 14 days of levamisole?

Okay so your guy was definitely worse than mine. Mine is between a 2 and a 3, but his titers were inconclusive. Did Dr. Ellison recommend the additional Levamisole treatments for you? I hadnā€™t initially thought about it, but now if he continues to not respond I might end up doing that as well. Itā€™s been past 6 days and thereā€™s still not a big difference :confused:

Yes, my horse was on Levamisole for 14 days, after the Oroquin was finished.

Zenyatta -
How is your horse doing now? How long was he showing symptoms before you started treatment? Iā€™m sorry if Iā€™m asking questions you have already answered, but my mare was recently diagnosed, and I need to make a decision regarding treatment fairly quicklyā€¦ Thanks in advance for any response.

Looking back, my horse was showing symptoms for a few months, or more. It was when the horse was walking like he was drunk, did I realise something was wrong.
Vet diagnosed with EPM and bloodwork confirmed.
Today my horse is still doing well, blood-work post Oroquin to be drawn on August 14.

Update: My horseā€™s blood work post treatment came back and itā€™s great news.
The Oroquin worked and he is now symptom free.:smiley:

Wonderful news!

Update:
My horse is still doing well, no signs or symptoms of EPM!

Thank you for continuing to update this thread!

Hi, Iā€™m new to this post, unfortunately because Iā€™m now treating my 25 y/o stallion for EPM. Symptoms started very suddenly 2 weeks ago, very difficult to turn, back up but could move forward ok but still tentatively. He is also having tremors, very visually afraid of things, which is completely off for him. He was/is eating fine, except for going off grain a bit, but thatā€™s typical for him with the hot weather weā€™ve been having. The vet came out a week ago and predicted EPM, or a tumor or something neuromuscular, but leaning toward EPM. Titer came back ā€œindicativeā€ of EPM so started treating the next day with Marquis, DMSO to help gut absorption, 6 days of Equioxx and 10ML vitamin E daily. All other blood tests came back normal so neuromuscular issues ruled out. I asked about Oroquin but my vet isnā€™t comfortable with the scant data, his words, and wonā€™t use it. Through day 6 he was ok, no change; then got markedly worse yesterday and especially this am. Very unstable, and more tremors especially if seeing something new or different. Vet came again today and took x-rays of c-spine to ensure no fractures, nothing obvious but waiting for 2nd opinion. Started him on bolus DMSO IV q12hours for 3 days to see if we can tame any inflammation, but donā€™t have a CRP reading as baseline, only fibrinogen. Iā€™m worried sick, it breaks my heart to see him like this, even though heā€™s very alert and wants to move around the pasture and know where ā€œhis maresā€ are still (nothing wrong with his libido!). Iā€™m thinking if the DMSO doesnā€™t help by early next week, I find a vet that will give Oroquin a chance, but donā€™t know if I should wait out the 28 days of Marquis or just switch if I find someone. I want to give him the best chance to return to normal, and hopefully prevent recurrence. Itā€™s such a helpless feeling, especially because we donā€™t really know we are treating the right thing. I welcome any thoughts.