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Hi Sheri, I agree. I’m a moderator on two forums. I resigned moderator on a third. It was terribly moderated (like Nazi’s) board with mods that singled people out and were even denying some people their rights such a “title” even tho the other 300,000 people had one. Usually it was because too many people liked them. One was a friend of mine, and I didn’t go along with them. After a few months of this I resigned. I realized my friend was a paying customer and entitled to any title she wanted. She finally got it. The mods treated everyone like naughty children and the owner would not interfere with what they did. So in my opinion, that’s over moderation. Then there’s forums that mods never seem to be around. My moderation (and one other) are more of like members. On a rare occasion, we will pm someone to tone it down. But it’s rare because the average IQ is pretty high. We all treat new members like a new family member. No belittling, no embarrassment , no attack on another’s opinions, instead of “you’re wrong” there’s “I would do it this way”. No assumptions or ridicule of what people ask others , and don’t discount new people on what they may know and advice they give. Many times there is something useful from them as well.

I think Horseforum is a great place , more eager to include a new poster. But not a huge forum like this.

Oh Gawd, here I go being chatty again! I think it’s nerves because I’m waiting 3 more weeks for this puppy who will be arriving on a plane. I hope she likes me!

[QUOTE=Sheri;8560008]
I agree. It’s to the point where it is frightening.

I love Horse Forum.

A well moderated forum is what I have learned to
stick with in the long run.

I have had a subscription to Chronicles since 1967, and read them from 1962.
I recently joined here as a paying member to get rid of paper waste.

It might be time for a letter to the editors. But, thats my own opinion.[/QUOTE]

I must have missed the frightening posts. I do see a lot of advice given by those who I know have little or no experience, but then I find that there are some who listen and get a different perspective.

Some of us really enjoy teaching and therefore just don’t know how to sit there and shut up. And some have much time spent teaching over the years. There is so much that goes into this addiction to riding, and so many different angles of approach, that you never cease to learn things. Sometimes what seems to a bystander as absolutely incorrect is what is needed at that moment in time.

Some of you were muttering about HP on another thread. Two ways to approach it (there are more), if your LY is strong, with good energy and impulsion, start out on one, then counter-bend, simultaneously switching your leg aids, and you are in HP, if things fall apart go forward in S/I, making sure you keep the energy. if while in S/I you lose the energy, lift off in canter, for 1/2 circle, downward transition, and carry on in S/I to HP.

It takes awhile sometimes for some horses to get strong enough to carry HP, so change things up thinking , up, up, up, forward.

This is a very popular, long lived and successful forum. The moderation style is appreciated by most here, I think.

So I guess if you dont like the moderation you could certainly just leave and participate in those boards that appeal to you moreso.

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8558871]
Silverbridge, I’ll vouch for your chops, and I know you can vouch for me! :slight_smile:

(with Riot)

I have to say that I agree, when the integrity of the material is in question, it throws off the whole deal. Sure, I could put someone on ignore, but that doesn’t solve the problem in the big-picture sense. As we saw on UDBB, certain Kalssical people sort of spoil the whole deal.

that is why I hate to see threads dissolve. its not about me vs you, it’s about the education of the forum. I suppose it’s impossible to police things, nor should we, but most of us are just doing things to help. When we feel like we have been taken for a ride, or people are just playing around, I feel like I wasted my time.

Like yesterday. I was having a serious conversation and honestly curious about why someone would want her hands on the saddle in dressage… in the sense I was trying to understand.

I put time into my thoughts to be clear. So when that isn’t returned and people are just wasting our time… well when you are so far apart there is no value anymore.

I’m a scientist, so asking questions isn’t insulting to me.

Maybe the forums just will always have this element, I just think it’s unfortunate.[/QUOTE]

Ican only tell you what experience I have with setting hands on pommel. I have worked with people in the past that claim their horses pull or throw their heads in the air. Because their riders pull back on the reins as a response. Then the horses expect it. I do have them set their hands on the pommel. It stops the cycle of pulling and pulling. Once the cycle is broken, the rider can take her hands again, with soft fingers, and if the pulling starts again, back to the hand on the pommel. It’s an offshoot really of a famous story about an occurance where Baucher (?) at some famous trainer’s (Vienna School ?) death bed grabbed his hands and said “this, not this”, setting the hands in some cases is okay, pulling is not".

[QUOTE=princessfluffybritches;8560183]
Ican only tell you what experience I have with setting hands on pommel. I have worked with people in the past that claim their horses pull or throw their heads in the air. Because their riders pull back on the reins as a response. Then the horses expect it. I do have them set their hands on the pommel. It stops the cycle of pulling and pulling. Once the cycle is broken, the rider can take her hands again, with soft fingers, and if the pulling starts again, back to the hand on the pommel. It’s an offshoot really of a famous story about an occurance where Baucher (?) at some famous trainer’s (Vienna School ?) death bed grabbed his hands and said “this, not this”, setting the hands in some cases is okay, pulling is not".[/QUOTE]

now THIS is an answer! thanks!!!

was that so hard? :smiley:

This makes a whole lot more sense, I get an idea of WHY you do this.

I have seen a whip placed through the hands sideways, or the use of a neck strap to quiet the hands. Same idea.

Don’t you even see the pulling match at dressage shows?

[QUOTE=princessfluffybritches;8560243]
Don’t you even see the pulling match at dressage shows?[/QUOTE]

What dressage shows have you been railbirding at in the last year.

[QUOTE=princessfluffybritches;8560243]
Don’t you even see the pulling match at dressage shows?[/QUOTE]

Sure, I’m guilty of it myself. I know that my horse gets pretty strong at shows, it’s a lot of intensity and I’m nervous too.

I’d guess that being too handsy/pulling is a topic that many of us have to deal with on a daily basis, esp if the horse hasn’t learned to carry his own head.

Let he who is perfect cast the first stone!

Tools like you mentioned? I have done that at a show before, for a few moments. But that is the important distinction to me-- in isolation for a purpose. I wasn’t getting that from your past descriptions.

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8560281]
Sure, I’m guilty of it myself. I know that my horse gets pretty strong at shows, it’s a lot of intensity and I’m nervous too.

I’d guess that being too handsy/pulling is a topic that many of us have to deal with on a daily basis, esp if the horse hasn’t learned to carry his own head.

Let he who is perfect cast the first stone!

Tools like you mentioned? I have done that at a show before, for a few moments. But that is the important distinction to me-- in isolation for a purpose. I wasn’t getting that from your past descriptions.[/QUOTE]

THANK YOU! I ride a very strong horse and I’m sure I look pretty handsy at times . . . it is an on-going struggle for us!

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8560281]
Sure, I’m guilty of it myself. I know that my horse gets pretty strong at shows, it’s a lot of intensity and I’m nervous too.

I’d guess that being too handsy/pulling is a topic that many of us have to deal with on a daily basis, esp if the horse hasn’t learned to carry his own head.

Let he who is perfect cast the first stone!

Tools like you mentioned? I have done that at a show before, for a few moments. But that is the important distinction to me-- in isolation for a purpose. I wasn’t getting that from your past descriptions.[/QUOTE]

Maybe I should have put temporarily in front of my tool? My corrections or methods of getting the horse to understand are momentary. Believe me, in isolation for a purpose and momentarily although it may need to be repeated.

Like putting hands on pommel is just long enough to break the cycle of pull and pull back. But always quickly rewarding with returning to the softness I want.
All of us are guilty of something sometimes. We all lose our temper sometimes, etc. Where I board, there’s this long strip of grass between the pastures. On the way to the end my horse is fine. On the way back she getss tense behind the bit with this prancy walk that makes it near impossible to work on it. And I’m forced to use the reins harder than I like (everything with me is hold/release/hold/release-) but I get harder too. So then we have to walk around until she relaxes and walks on a loose rein. Sometimes it could take a while. I still don’t have a tool for that one.

Hands on pommel to stop the tug of war or to stop handsy, can be a hard hold or a soft fingers hold. Always released immediately as a reward. The good thing at shows is it’s not noticeable, LOL.

Sendenhorse, you also talked about having your horse behind the vertical at moments. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s another tool . What bugs me is people that use it as a warmup or ride that way for long periods of time, and severe. Cruel. And at these professional circuit shows, the ones that have their horse scrunched up behind the vertical- how can you tell they’re riding back to front?

[QUOTE=Scribbler;8558585]
Any dressage forum that is open to all is going, from time to time, reflect a current basic split in the dressage community between, for lack of better terms, “contemporary competition” and “classical” dressage.

These might as well be two different disciplines at this point. They have different goals, different training progressions, and very, very different ideas of what the finished horse should look like: very different ideas of the picture, the outline, the posture, of the horse. As different, let’s say, as between hunter and Western Pleasure.

It might be time to acknowledge that “contemporary competiton” and “classical” dressage are two different forms of riding (though of course you can compete a classical horse) with very little in common, except that both of course want to claim the name “dressage.”

So the only way to avoid the debates is to go to a FB or closed group that focuses on the kind of dressage that you do, as several posters have pointed out.[/QUOTE]

I’m going to agree with you here. Any time you have critiques or news about top competition riders you’re going to have people from both sides of the divide chime in on what they believe to be “correct”, which can create some pretty heated discussion as this sport is much more an art than a science.

The advent of the “classical” labels seems to have popped up in response to people becoming more informed and critical about Rollkur and training methods that had become popular among a few trainers. There seems to be a further divide among the classical crowd on what is classical. Someone commented that Carl Hester/Steffen Peters are classical, but no one was labeling them that way back in 2008/2009. You have people that say german training scale can be classical(Reiner Klimke), while classical only applies to Oliveira, Baucher, SRS/Cadre Noir. The latter generally appear to shun all competition dressage, which I believe the former practice much more often.

[QUOTE=princessfluffybritches;8560562]
Sendenhorse, you also talked about having your horse behind the vertical at moments. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s another tool . What bugs me is people that use it as a warmup or ride that way for long periods of time, and severe. Cruel. And at these professional circuit shows, the ones that have their horse scrunched up behind the vertical- how can you tell they’re riding back to front?[/QUOTE]

You said that it smacks of rk, so I’m shocked by this post.
Anyways I put my horse deep once, for a transition.

Otherwise I hate when my horse goes deep and correct it.

You tell a horse is on the bit but behind the vertical vs behind the bit due to the different muscle activation. This is how you can tell front to back if you are the observer.

Rk is a,sustained severe backwards acting hand, the horse is severely off the contact.

Deep and btv may refer to the physical location or the contact. However, we need to be clear about what we mean. Just a caution to understand what we mean.

Sorry about the post I’m on my phone and its harder to type lol.

[QUOTE=princessfluffybritches;8560141]
Hi Sheri, I agree. I’m a moderator on two forums. I resigned moderator on a third. It was terribly moderated (like Nazi’s) board with mods that singled people out and were even denying some people their rights such a “title” even tho the other 300,000 people had one. Usually it was because too many people liked them. One was a friend of mine, and I didn’t go along with them. After a few months of this I resigned. I realized my friend was a paying customer and entitled to any title she wanted. She finally got it. The mods treated everyone like naughty children and the owner would not interfere with what they did. So in my opinion, that’s over moderation. Then there’s forums that mods never seem to be around. My moderation (and one other) are more of like members. On a rare occasion, we will pm someone to tone it down. But it’s rare because the average IQ is pretty high. We all treat new members like a new family member. No belittling, no embarrassment , no attack on another’s opinions, instead of “you’re wrong” there’s “I would do it this way”. No assumptions or ridicule of what people ask others , and don’t discount new people on what they may know and advice they give. Many times there is something useful from them as well.

I think Horseforum is a great place , more eager to include a new poster. But not a huge forum like this.

Oh Gawd, here I go being chatty again! I think it’s nerves because I’m waiting 3 more weeks for this puppy who will be arriving on a plane. I hope she likes me![/QUOTE]

Puppy? Squirrel? Balls? Walkies? pee pee pads puppy puppy? you are brave.
what kind? i guarantee if you keep liver bits in your pockets she will love you.

cant wait to hear about her more.

Could it be that the people from UDBB migrated here? :wink: (I’m kidding!!!)

Horse and hound is nice, the competing and training section is always supportive - the tack room (general topics) section has some drama, but I think you get that everywhere. I like that people post a lot of pics and vids there. There used to be some fairly famous members back in the day (Ollie Townend was one I think) but I dont know if they still read it. British Dressage has a forum too, it’s not hugely active but is interesting. I think you need to be an associate member which is free.

I like this forum. Appreciate the great advice and ignore the brats that take up a lot of space.

I was here longer than I was on udbb, different name though! 10 yrs?

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8560713]
Sorry about the post I’m on my phone and its harder to type lol.[/QUOTE]

I understand the difference of RK, deep, behind the vertical, etc. For clarification, not in the warmup ring. I was talking about is riders that always look like they’re taking/forcing contact vs a horse seeking a nice soft contact. I am not talking about the corrections or teaching we do that have the horse behind the vertical for specific reason, and not a way of riding.

I guess I’m trying to say that re rule book and also how we all learn and teach others to keep a horse on contact, vs rider appearing to be holding the horse in with the reins or riding in a way that there’s no way to see if the rider is tense or not because the rider is “holding” the horse behind the vertical. I see this a lot on dressage horses for sale on youtube.

The replies on this thread for proper contact are all correct because we all want to give correct information and ride correctly. But looking at some riders makes it hard to explain that this person may be a professional so why is his contact not fitting the description of correct as we all know it?

[QUOTE=Sheri;8560814]
Puppy? Squirrel? Balls? Walkies? pee pee pads puppy puppy? you are brave.
what kind? i guarantee if you keep liver bits in your pockets she will love you.

cant wait to hear about her more.[/QUOTE]

Standard Poodle puppy who will be flying in on March 22. Absolutely heart melting. I’ve spent a few hundred on food, bowls, a feed bin, leash and collar, harness for seatbelt use in a car, treats, a safe bone, a nylon choke collar, shampoo, and bells to hang at the door to train puppy on how to ring the bell to go out-oh gosh where does the list end? I’ll pick up the liver bits, LOL